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On Jul 3, 4:52 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 4:08�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> Steve O wrote:
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> >>> "BuddyThunder" <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> >>>news:486c4bcc$1@clear.net.nz...
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
> >>>>> want. �The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
> >>>>> members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
> >>>>> which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
> >>>>> life. �So members of the church can become like God, something that
> >>>>> was commanded also in the New Testament. � Be ye therefore perfect,
> >>>>> even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. �So there is
> >>>>> nothing new in any of these doctrines. �They were taught by Jesus
> >>>>> Christ in his lifetime.
> >>>> We would probably want it if it could be shown to be anything other
> >>>> than wishful thinking.
> >>> I wouldn't want it at all.
> >>> What the hell are going to do on your
> >>> 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00­�0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,­0�00,000,000,000,000th
> >>> day in eternity that you haven't already done a million times already?
> >>> Good grief, you'd be bored shitless, if not driven insane by the sheer,
> >>> mind-numbing boredom.
> >> Ah, but its eternity. It's timeless.
>
> >> Actually this stuff all makes perfect sense to me, but not in the
> >> context of a supernatural being..unless you want to call the Universe such.
>
> >> The original philosophers and shamans who tried to describe the world
> >> were not stupid: they just lacked the vocabulary.
>
> >> For stupidity, you have to come down past the political religions like
> >> Christianity, to the mere followers like our Robbo, who hasn't really
> >> got a clue about the philosophy and mysticism that underlies the belief
> >> set and worldview he so desperately clings to.
>
> >> Religious texts are well worthy of study as long as you throw away the
> >> interpretations of *churches*.
>
> >> I've skimmed most of the worlds esoteric knowledge base..I eschewed
> >> Christianity because it was so blatantly stupid, until last. Then I
> >> found that it had much in common with other world religions: There is in
> >> all a basic structure that pertains to something. Its just that
> >> Christianity, and Islam, have both overlaid it with a huge amount of
> >> utter rubbish that they insist is the pure literal truth.
>
> >> You will get a far more interesting slant on religion from an atheist:
> >> who may have actually stuidied the subject dispassionately: with a
> >> Christian or Muslim (excluding the Dervish movement) its a package deal,
> >> by and large, Buy it or not. There is no room for understanding: Just FAITH.
>
> >> But Faith is just a small tool on one step of a ladder of understanding.
> >> Not the be all and end all of it.
>
> >> Its like science, where people want to be told 'whatever is the case'
> >> (Wittgenstein). The truth is no one knows. We are also operating in
> >> ultimate ignorance, using a set of rules and tools that produce results,
> >> without any real confirmation that those rules and tools have any real
> >> correlation with the underlying reality (if indeed there is such) of the
> >> universe.
>
> >> It gets worse. Largely reality is *what you think it is* because so much
> >> of it is interpreted into your worldview and belief system: enough so
> >> that an Epiphany CAN totally change someones subjective life: that
> >> little trick is traded on by every priest there ever has been..to
> >> demonstrate the reality of their particular brand of snake oil.
>
> >> I can levitate certain objects. Sounds impressive, and so it would be to
> >> a stone age man. You would instantly spot the remote control devices in
> >> my hand...;-) HOWEVER I could in principle use that as the basis of a
> >> system to impress hunter gatherers that I had direct access to whatever
> >> power they believed existed already, and thereby create a religion and
> >> my own position in it.
>
> >> Its been done so many times..
>
> >> Don't throw out babies with bathwater: Religious material has matter of
> >> interest. Just bypass the interpretations of the Faithful, and make up
> >> your own mind.
>
> >> Eternity is a state of mind in which the faculty to organise things in
> >> an event stream is not operating. You can by one or more of various
> >> approaches experience this yourself. To the practitioner this leads to a
> >> possible conclusions that time itself is a anthropocentric issue: it is
> >> not an absolute. Remove life, and you remove time. Ergo after death
> >> there is eternity. �In a sense.
>
> >> Or to say it in another way, the totality of the experience of life can
> >> be transformed via something akin to �Fourier transform, in which the
> >> time element is transmuted into a position in some other dimension
> >> somewhat like 'frequency' or 'colour'. .. a co-ordinate system that
> >> encapsulates the totality of a lifetime as a single pattern in which the
> >> time element is not present in terms of linear progression of events.
>
> >> We don't normally operate in that mode: but many people will assure you
> >> that we CAN. "my whole life passed before my eyes in an instant" says
> >> the drowning man..its from experiences such as this that the concepts of
> >> the old shamans were born, transmuted and corrupted by years of
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> > I think that Jesus Christ would be the best one to explain your idea
> > to.
>
> I don't have to. He knew all about it already, and tried to explain,
> sadly no one really was listening. So they hung him on a cross to shut
> him up.
>
> But having studied in the East, he knew how to go into ultra deep
> meditation, so he looked dead enough to be cut down, and with the help
> of his girlfriend, managed to stay alive long enough to have rampant sex
> and a few babies.
>
> Some of which is documented in the testaments the Romans left OUT of the
> bible.
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The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus
Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God.  They
were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology.
Robert B. Winn