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Article #14246Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:38
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:38
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On Jul 1, 1:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:348e1c43-660e-47e1-a05f-d01e45fed2c3@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 4:01�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >> >> Anyway, while we are here, have you ever read the King Follet > >> >> Discourse? > >> >> Could you explain to me why you believe that God has always been God > >> >> as > >> >> the > >> >> bible claims and why your main prophet believes otherwise as outlined > >> >> in > >> >> the > >> >> discourses? > >> >> The only reason I ask this is that as I understand it, it's a complete > >> >> mind-fuck for most Mormons like yourself. > > >> > Well, you seem to have really worked yourself up about it. �Why don't > >> > you write to Salt Lake City and get an official answer from church > >> > authorities? > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> What makes you imagine I'm worked up about it? > >> Are you projecting? > >> I already know what the Mormon Authorities have to say on the subject. > >> So I'm asking you, but all you are doing is avoiding the question, as > >> expected. > > >> -- > >> Steve O > > > Well, if you already have the official answer from the church, why are > > you asking me? > > Robert B. Winn > > Because I would be interested in knowing how you manage to reconcile the > teachings of Joseph Smith with the teachings of the bible, which, when it > comes to the basic characteristics of the Christian God, are completely in > opposition. > Actually, to be truthful, I really highlighted this point because I am aware > it is a source of embarrassment for Mormons like yourself who are generally > instructed not to tell people about this kind of stuff while they are out on > missionary duties. > As a 60 yr old Mormon, I would expect you to know about the King Follet > Discourse, or am I wrong? > So, how about it? > So, anyway, has God always been God, or was God once a man who progressed to > a God, as Smith claims in the King Follet Discourse, and is it possible for > Mormon men like yourself to become a God? > Once again, I expect you to run away from this question, as you have already > shown. > > -- > Steve O Well, the King Follet discourse was a funeral eulogy, not church doctrine. The teachings of Joseph Smith with regard to the basic characteristics of the Christian God are that God has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's, his Son Jesus Christ also, but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of spirit. These three consititute the Godhead. These teachings are different from the rest of Christianity who follow the Nicene creed as a description of God and Jesus Christ, which was the result of a council called by the Emperor Constantine to unite Christian leaders and eliminate differences in their teachings. Robert B. Winn
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