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On Jun 30, 12:56 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jun 29, 1:16 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jun 29, 12:26�am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>> Smiler wrote:
> >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09?pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05? am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48? am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. ? All you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> done
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. ?Atheists have said they have proven all
> >>>>>>>>>>>> manner of things. ?Almost always it turns out to be something
> >>>>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other
> >>>>>>>>>>>> atheists.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday,
> >>>>>>>>>>> which it
> >>>>>>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh).
> >>>>>>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.'
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which
> >>>>>>>>>>> atheists
> >>>>>>>>>>> have claimed it? ?Atheists don't actually need to 'prove'
> >>>>>>>>>>> anything,
> >>>>>>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> first
> >>>>>>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of
> >>>>>>>>>>> god any
> >>>>>>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of
> >>>>>>>>>>> Traal.
> >>>>>>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis,
> >>>>>>>>>> nor
> >>>>>>>>>> a fact.
> >>>>>>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven.
> >>>>>>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we
> >>>>>>>>>> cant get
> >>>>>>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less.
> >>>>>>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and
> >>>>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole
> >>>>>>>>>> mess as
> >>>>>>>>>> something one can simply do without.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although
> >>>>>>>>>>> actual
> >>>>>>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first
> >>>>>>>>>>> place...
> >>>>>>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility.
> >>>>>>>>>> Its
> >>>>>>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology.
> >>>>>>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ.
> >>>>>>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus.
> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows.
> >>>>>>> He was the one who created atheists.
> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>>> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he
> >>>>>> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds
> >>>>>> OK to me.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>> Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea. �He is the one
> >>>>> who is going to judge the earth.
> >>>>> -------------------------------------
> >>>>> You keep saying this and talk about 'end times', but have never told us what
> >>>>> date it will happen.
> >>>>> You claim to have a 'direct line' to this JC character, so tell us what he
> >>>>> says.
> >>>> He *is* kinda tardy to the party. I bet he brings some kick-ass wine though!- Hide quoted text -
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> >>> The day and hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven.
> >> The party is nearly over! The sloppy drunk isn't seeing straight. :-)- Hide quoted text -
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> > 7  But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are
> > out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong
> > drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through
> > strong drink;  they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
> > 8  For all tables are full of viomit and filthiness, so that there is
> > no place clean.
>
> Is that describing you or me? ;-)- Hide quoted text -
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Whoever the sloppy drunk is.
Robert B. Winn