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On Jun 29, 1:16 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jun 29, 12:26�am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> Smiler wrote:
> >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09?pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05? am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48? am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. ? All you have
> >>>>>>>>>> done
> >>>>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who
> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. ?Atheists have said they have proven all
> >>>>>>>>>> manner of things. ?Almost always it turns out to be something
> >>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other
> >>>>>>>>>> atheists.
> >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday,
> >>>>>>>>> which it
> >>>>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh).
> >>>>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.'
> >>>>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which
> >>>>>>>>> atheists
> >>>>>>>>> have claimed it? ?Atheists don't actually need to 'prove'
> >>>>>>>>> anything,
> >>>>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the
> >>>>>>>>> first
> >>>>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of
> >>>>>>>>> god any
> >>>>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of
> >>>>>>>>> Traal.
> >>>>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis,
> >>>>>>>> nor
> >>>>>>>> a fact.
> >>>>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven.
> >>>>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we
> >>>>>>>> cant get
> >>>>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less.
> >>>>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and
> >>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole
> >>>>>>>> mess as
> >>>>>>>> something one can simply do without.
> >>>>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although
> >>>>>>>>> actual
> >>>>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first
> >>>>>>>>> place...
> >>>>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility.
> >>>>>>>> Its
> >>>>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology.
> >>>>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof.
> >>>>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ.
> >>>>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus.
> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows.
> >>>>> He was the one who created atheists.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he
> >>>> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds
> >>>> OK to me.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>> Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea. �He is the one
> >>> who is going to judge the earth.
> >>> -------------------------------------
> >>> You keep saying this and talk about 'end times', but have never told us what
> >>> date it will happen.
> >>> You claim to have a 'direct line' to this JC character, so tell us what he
> >>> says.
> >> He *is* kinda tardy to the party. I bet he brings some kick-ass wine though!- Hide quoted text -
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> > The day and hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven.
>
> The party is nearly over! The sloppy drunk isn't seeing straight. :-)- Hide quoted text -
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7  But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are
out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong
drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through
strong drink;  they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8  For all tables are full of viomit and filthiness, so that there is
no place clean.
Robert B. Winn