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BuddyThunder wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Jun 29, 1:54 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Jun 27, 12:34 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:

>>> Neither science nor religion are what you believe them to be. That's the
>>> trouble with belief in general. It very easy to believe in things that
>>> don't help, and are probably false.
>>>
>> Well, people today do that all of the time.  Almost everything they
>> believe is propaganda.
> 
> How can you know anything about the world if not through scientific 
> inquiry? What if you picked the wrong religion?! Do you hate knowledge?


Religion at the Faith level, is a way out of te cinundrum opf lies and 
falsehoods the civilisation surrounds itself in. iTs a half way house: 
by strict adherence to a path of Faith, humans avoid all te traps of 
bullshit that people set for them, except one. The trap of bullshit that 
Faith itself represents.

So a man with Faith, and no reason, is somewhat better off than one with 
no Faith and no Reason.

He will at least not be superstitiously afarid of every dark corner 
where a bogey man MIGHT lurk. Faith if you like reformulates the 
emotinal relationship between man and his environment into a single 
focus, where all fears and all hopes are encapsulated in one system. 
This for the superstitious, is an advance.


However that system instead of becoming a useful stick, becomes an 
indispensable crutch. Such individuals are addicted to Faith. It is of 
course why religion is so good at 'curing' addicts: they replace one 
addiction with another less deleterious (physically) addiction.

The trick is of course having risen above the multifarious bullshit that 
comprises what people think say and do, to also rise above the 
multifarious bullshit that comprisies what religious people think, say 
and do.

DIY spiritual enlightenment as it were.
I think its mentioned in the Bible somewhere 'No man comes to the Father 
except by me' well yes, what it doesn't say though is that the Way and 
the End are the same, or having got as far as Jesus you have to stop.

Its far too shocking for most god btheres to even conceive that actually 
the Atheists are in the lead in the spiritual race as it were.

"he that have ears, let him hear" ...well yea verily and toute cette 
crapola. We talk, we say, those with ears may listen, or go blindly unto 
death with their heads and hearts full of mythconceptions. in the grand 
scheme of things it matters not one Iota, except that it does seem a bit 
of a waste of a life sometimes.

Robbie stumbles in here, trying perhaps to convert, or to understand. We 
can do no less than reflect his intention back to him, and try to 
convert, and make him understand what Atheism, at least on whatever 
level we ourselves understand it to be, is.

It most certainly is not what he professes to think it is.