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On Jun 26, 1:09�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> W.A. Sawford wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote:
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> >> On Jun 26, 5:05� am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jun 26, 4:48� am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> >>>> On Jun 25, 7:27�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. � All you have done
> >> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who is
> >> suppsed to have done it. �Atheists have said they have proven all
> >> manner of things. �Almost always it turns out to be something some
> >> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other atheists.
> >> Robert B. Winn
>
> > I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday, which it
> > isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh).
>
> > 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.'
>
> > Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which atheists
> > have claimed it? �Atheists don't actually need to 'prove' anything,
> > because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the first
> > place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of god any
> > more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of Traal.
>
> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis, nor
> a fact.
>
> So it can't be proven or disproven.
>
> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we cant get
> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less.
>
> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and open
> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole mess as
> something one can simply do without.
>
> > Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although actual
> > evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first place...
>
> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility. Its
> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology.
>
> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not a
> statement about its existence, or lack thereof.
>
>
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> > Wendy- Hide quoted text -
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Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ.
Robert B. Winn