🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics
Article #14360

Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#14360
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:31
50 lines
4382 bytes
rbwinn wrote:
> On Jun 26, 1:09�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> W.A. Sawford wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05� am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48� am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. � All you have done
>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who is
>>>> suppsed to have done it. �Atheists have said they have proven all
>>>> manner of things. �Almost always it turns out to be something some
>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other atheists.
>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday, which it
>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh).
>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.'
>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which atheists
>>> have claimed it? �Atheists don't actually need to 'prove' anything,
>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the first
>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of god any
>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of Traal.
>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis, nor
>> a fact.
>>
>> So it can't be proven or disproven.
>>
>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we cant get
>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less.
>>
>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and open
>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole mess as
>> something one can simply do without.
>>
>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although actual
>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first place...
>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility. Its
>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology.
>>
>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not a
>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text -
> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ.

Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus.

> Robert B. Winn
> 
Technical Details
Message-ID: <1214551962.1522.2@proxy01.news.clara.net>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!feeder3.cambrium.nl!feeder6.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.esat.net!news.clara.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!proxy01.news.clara.net
References: <48581d68$1@clear.net.nz> <9755c$485821e1$49e5d1d$4011@DIALUPUSA.NET> <4858b59f$1@clear.net.nz> <6bs4roF3dpis8U1@mid.individual.net> <062a4aa8-c7d8-4bef-a0ea-1962938701ba@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <884e5992-7364-40c6-9d03-4c22aafd215b@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <y8D8k.63141$7m7.42046@newsfe30.ams2> <74e6eff8-410e-4b2d-a0e6-02502e5a0cbe@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <df084d52-af14-46d7-8007-73d87d68d111@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <7a37fe43-f010-4321-9a28-9734acbe5652@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> <Pine.SOL.3.96.1080626134221.14285B-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk> <1214510991.14617.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <80806b1c-5918-4555-89e2-e47c3987a1b6@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee
X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!feeder3.cambrium.nl!feeder6.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.esat.net!news.clara.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!proxy01.news.clara.net
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:31:40 +0100
From: The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
References: <48581d68$1@clear.net.nz> <9755c$485821e1$49e5d1d$4011@DIALUPUSA.NET>  <4858b59f$1@clear.net.nz> <6bs4roF3dpis8U1@mid.individual.net>  <062a4aa8-c7d8-4bef-a0ea-1962938701ba@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>  <884e5992-7364-40c6-9d03-4c22aafd215b@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>  <y8D8k.63141$7m7.42046@newsfe30.ams2> <74e6eff8-410e-4b2d-a0e6-02502e5a0cbe@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>  <df084d52-af14-46d7-8007-73d87d68d111@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>  <7a37fe43-f010-4321-9a28-9734acbe5652@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>  <Pine.SOL.3.96.1080626134221.14285B-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk>  <1214510991.14617.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <80806b1c-5918-4555-89e2-e47c3987a1b6@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <80806b1c-5918-4555-89e2-e47c3987a1b6@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers)
X-Trace: fa6586645f606470345bc8000898c600ad86f660a8767552469ae0404864979a
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:32:42 +0100
Message-ID: <1214551962.1522.2@proxy01.news.clara.net>
Lines: 50