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Re: There was a beginning to time but no before

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From: foolsrushin.
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:01
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On 8 Jun, 14:17, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 6:38 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> >> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jun 6, 4:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 5, 9:33 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> >>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jun 4, 11:23 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 6:14 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 10:42 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:50:25 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 9:44 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:33:57 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2:30 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:13:39 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 8:48 am, John Locke <johnlocke98...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:33:45 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I want to know how God created the universe. All the rest are just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details." Albert Einstein
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He wasn't referring to the "God" your thinking about. He was talking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about nature. Einstein had no personal "God".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What part of Einstein's direct statement "I do not believe in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal God" eluded you?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was refering to his Creator.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which to Einstein, was "Spinoza's God"; an impersonal underlying order
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to nature. The idea of an actual, conscious, self-aware creator deity,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a notion that Einstein found ridiculous to the end of his life,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your outright lies notwithstanding.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since nature can't create
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says who? And why not?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO. Moron
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Incoherent much?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you start with zero and add zeros you get nothing. The Big Bang was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> zero.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google "quantum fluctuation".- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Quantum fluctuations happen at every point in space and at all points
> >>>>>>>>>>> in time. This turns space-time solid.
> >>>>>>>>>> And yet it doesn't...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>> NO quantum fluctuations without making space-time solid.
> >>>>>>>> And yet, you're still wrong...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>> Prove it!
> >>>>>> Oh go get an education.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>> Albert Einstein wasn't an atheist in any way shape or form.
> >>>>> I know you don't think he said it but he said that "the older he got
> >>>>> the more I believed in a Creator."
> >>>> You might want to take a look at this.http://richarddawkins.net/article,2568,n,n
> >>>> It's an article about a letter penned the year before he died in which
> >>>> he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and
> >>>> product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but
> >>>> still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No
> >>>> interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
> >>>> If you're going to claim support from him, I would appreciate it if you
> >>>> could track down that quote.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> Einstein disliked the God of the bible. And you can Google his quote
> >>> for yourself since I am not going to.
> >>> "I want to know how God created this universe. All the rest are just
> >>> details." Albert Einstein
> >> Yeah and he talked about Spinoza's god. Bet you don't have a clue what
> >> that is.- Hide quoted text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> > Einstein was an atheist who believed in a false God biblo?
> > Is that what you are trying to say?
> So you *don't* have a clue what "Spinoza's god" means.
> > Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008
> Except you're not.

Spinoza was not only brilliant but put in a hard day grinding glasses
with no apparent sense of irony and much love of his work, which he
took to be the same as love of his customers! By the time he had
finished with God, there was nothing left but sweetness and light,
though only rarely could an individual attain communion. He was a
Pantheist, whatever that is, and also a puzzled Cartesian dualist.
Hobbes influenced him, he influenced Goethe Goethe influenced
everybody! Since he simply thought people ought to be nice to each to
other, and anyway his Jewish parents had had to run from Portugal, he
tried to keep his mouth shut. However, people found out he could think
ably about nothing, and so, was gifted!
--
'foolsrushin.'
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Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,alt.atheism,cam.misc
Subject: Re: There was a beginning to time but no before
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