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Article #14417Re: True Philosophers and Thought
From: foolsrushin
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:36
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:36
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On 25 Apr, 00:49, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 24, 6:35 pm, foolsrushin <dolomi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On 25 Apr, 00:22, Lester Zick <dontbot...@nowhere.net> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT), PD > > > <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Obviously you've already taken a vow of consummate ignorance. Anyone > > > >> can say anything publicly without making it true. > > > >That's certainly correct. However, the point of using words in the > > > >first place is not to establish the truth of the purported meaning of > > > >those words, but to communicate. > > > To communicate what? Science prefers truth. > > > ~v~~ > > > Contractual obligations, poems, plays, inductive infallibility? Can > > the latter be communicated unambigously? Wittgenstein retreated to > > language games, and rightly, Russell thought them silly. > > Lester has certainly proferred himself toward the perception that he > doesn't really care one way or the other. His wee game is to cycle > through a two line script: > 1 Prove what you say. > 2. Nope, you haven't proven it. [Go back to 1] He ought to read the delightful Rayond Smullyan, 'Forever Undecided'. QED is possible in, say, Euclid, but only by definiton, and the definitions would eventually become not exactly the problem: they became to be seen as too narrow, and then, for example along came Cantor and Goedel. In the case of the physical sciences, defence of status quo science is, as Russell recognised with, I think, delight, is savagely dismantled by Popper, both historically and logically. In the physical sphere, the past causes the future; in the human sphere, the future causes the past. Fred Hoyle, we tried to get him to come and talk to us but he did not travel a lot, is famous for his remark that life is as likely as a gale blowing through a scrapyard and producing a Boeing 747! Chicken or egg, this is the big one! -- 'foolsrushin.'
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