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In sci.physics, BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com>
 wrote
on 31 May 2007 03:59:39 -0700
<1180609179.557820.228780@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
> On May 27, 12:00 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
> <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>> In sci.physics, BradGuth
>> <bradg...@gmail.com>
>>  wrote
>> on 27 May 2007 11:24:49 -0700
>> <1180290289.181169.307...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>:
>>
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>>
>>
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>> > On May 26, 9:47 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
>> > <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>> >> In sci.physics, BradGuth
>> >> <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >> > You obviously have no such understanding of my proposal.
>>
>> >> > You just don't get it.  Using the efficient tug of mass in order to
>> >> > move a much greater mass is obviously way over your naysay head.
>>
>> >> Ah, I see.  So something just waves its 100 kg mass
>> >> just over theMoonand magically moves it to L1?
>>
>> >> Right.
>> > Try 1e12 kg as tethered at themoon's2XL2, or if need be using the
>> > more impressive 3XL2 tethered mass.
>>
>> That's a *billion metric tonnes*.  Best I can do is
>> $100/metric tonne of scrap iron (total cost: $100 billion),
>> and you'll have to get it up there yourself.
>>
>> > Of course there's going to be a
>> > few complex adjustments of tethered mass along the way towards
>> > reaching and holding onto Earth's L1.
>>
>> OK...and these adjustments will be done precisely how...?
>
> Not by the snookered and seriously dumbfounded fools like yourself.

I'm not the one proposing a tether.  Am I supposed to answer your
questions for you, lazybones? ;-)

> If you want "precisely how", that'll cost.  Why don't you make it
> worth my while?

Ah, so you're in the consultancy business, are you?
Contact NASA.  They'll want to know. :-)  If you're really
lucky they might let you borrow a Saturn V.  (There's one
in storage.  Might need some restoration.  I for one have
no idea how you'll bring it back, but the first two stages
are designed to be discardable anyway.)

>
>>
>> > Unfortunately, unless I can get
>> > a cache of spare body parts,
>>
>> Mmm...I'll put you in touch with Mary Shelley.  She was good at that.
>> :-)
>>
>> > I will no longer be a part of that team
>> > effort, that'll likely become the ultimate responsibility of the
>> > second or third generation that'll by then be having to pay $100/
>> > gallon and perhaps otherwise as much as $10/kwhr by the end of that
>> > WWIII global warming century, that's likely going to take all the
>> > shade via ourmoonthat we can muster.  Having established roughly
>> > half the tidal factors to deal with, as such this alone should
>> > otherwise greatly minimize the internal and surface related trauma of
>> > friction induced global warming.
>>
>> >> And how long did you want this movement to take again?
>> > A good century should more than do the trick.  Or, are you Third Reich
>> > naysay folks in some kind of special Old Testament thumping hurry?
>>
>> Probably not, but you're going to have to put a few more details on
>> exactly how this tether works.  (Especially since it's far from clear
>> how much tension the tether will have.)
>
> Perhaps as little as taking 10% of the 4.84 GPa as accommodated by the
> moon's basalt fibers.  Otherwise, I honestly think we could go for 50%
> tether loading, as being worth 2.42 GPa.

OK...that takes care of the loading of each m^2 of cross section.  How
thick is this tether?  I think you've answered how long (2x
Moon-(Earth-Sun L1 distance) = 3.006 * 10^9 m +/- about 4 * 10^8 m).

>
>>
>> >> > Don't need any stinking big-ass rocket engines, or those impactors
>> >> > from our Oort cloud.  As I'd said before, given a good supercomputer
>> >> > and of its fully interactive orbital physics software is all that I'll
>> >> > need, plus a spare trillion dollars per year for roughly the next
>> >> > century.  Got a problem with any of that?
>>
>> >> Um....why would one want to boost a supercomputer over
>> >> theMoonin order to direct its motion?
>> > Now that's really getting silly, don't you think?  I only need that
>> > supercomputer along with its advanced 3D interactive orbital simulator
>> > software for a few pesky refinements, and otherwise for generating the
>> > usual nifty 3D spiffy graphics of show and tell, as in generating all
>> > of that eye popping candy so that folks will not terribly mind having
>> > to pay that 10% surcharge upon fossil and yellowcake energy.
>>
>> A contemporary PC would do the trick and cost far less.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> As for the spare trillion -- I'll have to ask my Nazi
>> >> Jewish supervisors.  I'm not authorized to dole out that
>> >> sort of funding. ;-)
>>
>> > It's all covered by my 10% excise tax that's added onto the end-user/
>> > retail cost of all that's fossil or yellowcake energy.  Of course,
>> > this excise tax would likely have an affect of forcing the wholesale
>> > cost of that energy to becoming as competitively low cost as
>> > possible.  Sorry about all that.
>>
>> "Your" tax?  It'll probably have to be passed through Congress.  Contact
>> your Rep.
>
> NO, I'd meant a global fuel/energy tax of 10%.  No Congress of any
> kind, as this one of relocating our moon out to Earth's L1 will be
> mandated by the likes of God.

Um....OK, so you're going to pray to God to manufacture this tether,
then?

>
> Do your butt-cheeks always flap when you blow your brown nose?
>
> At least you've been a fairly good sport of a rusemaster.  Too bad all
> the others within your silly borg collective don't have any sense of
> humor about their demise.

It's the tinfoil hats they're wearing.  They suppress all laughter.
Can't be too careful with al Qaeda running amuck out there; it might
lead to dancing.

> -
> Brad Guth
> -
> "whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell
>

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