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Article #14550Re: Planet that hit Earth to create the moon? = moon
From: BradGuth
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 00:48
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 00:48
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The perfectly good what-if of a given 4X or 5X solar mass, such as from that original Sirius B, kicking out a few assorted Oort cloud items while going red-giant, as such isn't all that unlikely. In fact, it seems entirely more common place and therefore more likely than not, especially as our Sol gets within better range of using our somewhat wussy gravity to further attract upon whatever's headed our way. (Milky Way's 225MY cycle indicates more frequent local stellar cycles) The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood, by Nordström et al., as having been further improved by Hipparcos data: http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=71&Itemid=42&lang=en Of whatever ice survives in interstellar space, especially as for eventually cruising anywhere near 1AU of a Sol like star, as such requires a fairly substantial volume and/or gravity worthy core of rock (perhaps not unlike 7.35e22 kg), and otherwise hosting some degree of a protective atmosphere, even if such an atmosphere is primarily sustained via those icy vapors. I've asked of others; What is the "R" value of ice as insulation? >> Eric Swanson: >> Thermal Conductivity, Ice at 0 C = 2.22 (W/m K) >> >> Data for other temperatures found here: >> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ice-thermal-properties-d_576.html Thermal Conductivity of -0°C ice = 2.22 (W/m K) ~ (R/m/K = 0.45) Thermal Conductivity of -5°C ice = 2.25 (W/m K) ~ (R/m/K = 0.444) Thermal Conductivity of -10°C ice = 2.3 (W/m K) ~ (R/m/K = 0.435) Thermal Conductivity of -30°C ice = 2.5 (W/m K) ~ (R/m/K = 0.4) In a few other honestly deductive words of my best dyslexic encrypted wisdom, whereas an ejected icy covered proto-moon is entirely livable if you are adequately sequestered within/under such a protective layer of ice, especially on behalf of sufficiently intelligent folks, plus all sorts of other DNA that'll survive such an extended interstellar trek, such as getting safely away from that white dwarf of a star that used to be of a 4X or greater solar mass to begin with. Just 100 meters of -30°C ice is good for insulating: 250 W/K 1 km of that same -30°C ice is good for insulating: 2.5 KW/K 100 km of -30°C ice becomes worthy of insulating at 250 KW/K Obviously the thermal conduction of such ice is less for what's existing directly upon or near the rocky surface, as is the more thermally conductive ice and snow that's likely capable of being something near 45 K (-228°C) of what the very worse of such a local interstellar trek would likely amount to, with an average interstellar medium of perhaps something less than 98 K (-175°C). Unfortunately, I'm still that village idiot or pesky messenger from hell that's suggesting our icy proto-moon as having arrived in a lithobraking fashion, though only as of the last ice age this planet will ever see, while packing along as much as 262 km worth of surface ice and/or as having collected such volumes of compacted salty Oort snow on deck. Perhaps you folks can manage to further add or subtract your best swag, as to the what-if of this analogy that's pretty much all Guth going yaysay postal, as to my limited mindset favoring a good deal of panspermia influx, up to that of a full blown intelligent design effort that obviously hasn't turned out quite as well as originally planned. - Brad Guth
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