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Jeff...Relf wrote:
> God  Stephen_Dedalus,
> You placed your _UnDying_Faith_ in this piece of metaphysical hogwash:
>
>   There is genuine randomness;
>   however, we can calculate the probabilites with pin-point accuracy.
>
> You can't observe anything denser than Planck_Density... Right ?

The physics of the first 10^-43 seconds of the Universe is poorly
understood. It's likely that it was denser than the Planck Density back
then.

> So, why are you so in love with the metaphysical lore which imagines that
> hidden causalities _Could_Not_Exist_ beyond that ?

It's not "metaphysical", you blithering idiot. The whole point is that
we know experimentally that the hidden variable theory doesn't hold in
the Universe now.

You're trying to argue that the probabilistic nature of the Universe is
wrong, in spite of empirical evidence to the contrary, based on the
fact that the physical processes that took place in the first 10-43 s
aren't entirely understood.

> Why are you so in love with the metaphysical lore which imagines that
> today's theories and technologies could _Never_ be improved upon ?
> Your banality astounds me.
>
> You concluded:
>
>   The HUP applies to everything.
>   Does this mean we have any freedom of will ?
>   In my view, no it doesn't - determinism and randomness both rob
>   us of this, but in very different ways.
>
> If the past is any indicator, HUP will not be the last word.  For example...
> What did Newton know about ultra-precision clocks ticking faster
> with minute increases in altitude ?  Nothing.  Nothing at all.
>
> Today's precision is not the same as tomorrow's... trust me on that.

Now you're trying to argue against an experimentally verified physical
theory based on the history of science. This is pretty stupid.

> You consume.  What doesn't consume ?
> What doesn't eventually dissipate into nothingness ?
> Everything in life can be explained in terms of consumption and dissipation.
>
> Did you chose to be born ?  Are you not a slave to your God ?

Being an atheist, I don't have a God.

> The _Facts_ are known... true free-will does _Not_ exist.

I've already said this, you moron.