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Re: Quantum Gravity Via Expansion-Contraction 43.2: The Trouble With Axiomatization of Information/Entropy

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From: Doug
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:52
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Hippie's influence on Quantum Gravity;

"OsherD" <mdoctorow@comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> >From Osher Doctorow mdoctorow@comcast.net
>
> There is a strange postscript to this Section of the thread on Hippies.
>
> Hippie "Business" Departments mostly began to be named Management 
> Departments
> around the time that the Soviet Union and China were recognized as Big
> Powers, although some had begun being named that way one or two decades
> after the USSR was established.
>
> Today, Hippies, whether in the non-capitalist bloc of
> Russia and China for example or in the capitalist bloc, are almost
> identical in their allegiance to the political use of engineering, AI,
> operations research, computers, and the various applied statistical
> branches, with logarithms and conditional probability and Bayesian
> probability-statistics central to Hippie ideas.   Part of it was
> reinforced (in the psychological sense) by publication in each others'
> Peer-Reviewed Journals, part was pure Imitation, part was "exchange of
> ideas" that comes with diplomacy (which is about half espionage and
> half Imitation, although espionage itself has an unknown to us amount
> of Imitation), part was Mediocrity, and part was Materialism especially
> Greed-Materialism.  Microsoft alone decades ago invested enormous funds
> in Bayesian-type research "decision-making" algorithms and programs
> using almost the straight list of departments that I cited earlier.
>
> Hippies decision to make 4 groups/categories the "pets" of his term
> in office, namely blacks, gays, computer corporations, and
> entertainment corporations, almost by itself won the battle for the
> Bayesian/conditional/logarithmic Mainstream via the computer
> corporations.  It wasn't a coincidence.  It was the "Strategic
> thinking" at the time, if Strategy refers to the Think Tanks which come
> in turn from Academia and Espionage.  Computers would win the world.
> Nobody thought of guerrila Islamist movements at that time, which don't
> compute, unless it was the Russia-China-France-Islamist Axis so to
> speak.  Nobody thought that Jobs would be taken away by computers on a
> serious level, including Supermarket checker jobs, theoretical
> mathematics and theoretical science jobs, and even clerical and manual
> labor jobs, or that the remaining jobs would get duller and more
> mediocre as Theory and Abstraction was almost entirely replaced by
> collecting data for the computers to number-crunch.   Nobody thought
> that teachers and professors would become computer-slaves via classroom
> computers which by the way turn a lucrative profit for several Big
> Corporations, and McDonalds (I was once fired for opposing them).  But the
> Carter-Clinton Diplomacy Think Tanks and Corporations and State
> Department had to be listened to rather than "bite the hand that feeds
> us."
>
> Osher Doctorow
> 
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