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Re: Time machine implies existence of God?

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From: Victor Porton
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:24
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On Feb 5, 11:16 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2:56 pm, Victor Porton <porton.vic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 10:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 5, 1:53 pm, Victor Porton <por...@narod.ru> wrote:
>
> > > > I have the following rough idea:
>
> > > > Suppose some kind of time machine exists (it may be e.g. two connected
> > > > moving blackholes with wormhole between).
>
> > > > Suppose somebody want to use it to travel in the past when he was a
> > > > child and kill himself in the childhood.
>
> > > > If he would do it it would violate basic principles.
>
> > > > So something necessarily would disturb him to do it.
>
> > > > It looks like that the force which would disturb him to do it shall be
> > > > very clever. I suspect that this way we would deduce existence of God.
>
> > > > Can we put it in rigorous mathematical formulas, such as requiring
> > > > existence in physical reality a function which could solve any math
> > > > problem on its input? (We may think about a mathematician borrowing a
> > > > theorem from the future, so that there would be no man who proved the
> > > > theorem first, or something similar to find such a solving function, I
> > > > suspect.)
>
> > > > Also I suspect that something similar may be deduced from existence of
> > > > faster-than-light quantum teleportation (because it violated the
> > > > principle of causality in the sense of Relativity Theory).
>
> > > > So, can anybody formulate these physical theories in exact formulas
> > > > (about a "solving any problems" physical function)?
>
> > > First of all, it does no good to suppose something that violates known
> > > laws of physics. If an event violates the laws of physics, then it
> > > won't happen, and that's not because something clever stopped it.
>
> > > Likewise, there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine,
> > > because that violates some laws of physics. This doesn't mean that
> > > something clever has stepped in to keep a perpetual motion machine
> > > from working.
>
> > I am not a physicist. But I heard that two connected moving blackholes
> > with wormhole between can act as time machine. I'm not sure whether
> > this is true, but I suppose it may be true, based on opinion of some
> > physicists.
>
> I'm not sure where you've heard this. What is true is that there are
> some conjectures about whether wormholes *might* permit this, but it
> isn't clear whether the laws of physics permit it. I can assure you,
> though, that the conjecture is not of the sort, "We believe that the
> laws of physics permit it, but something ELSE is keeping it from
> happening."
>
>
>
> > Also: AFAIK, quantum teleportation is a known fact. Can we deduce some
> > problem solving function from quantum teleportation? I just ask, I
> > don't know.
>
> Quantum teleportation is a poor word used in Popular Science articles
> to describe something that physicists call quantum entanglement. This
> is no less interesting, and I do suggest you look into it, but what is
> already known is that there is no faster-than-light signaling that is
> going on in quantum entanglement. Quantum mechanics is completely
> compatible with special relativity, and has been shown to be so since
> 1928, when Paul Dirac specifically made a fully relativistic quantum
> explanation for observed behavior.

What prevents passing faster-than-light signaling through quantum
entanglement? Please explain for a dilettante like me could
understand.

I have the idea (maybe stupid, I'm not a physicist) that quantum
entanglement creates two connected worlds (including even the
researchers which research quantum entanglement) which in a sense
mirror each other with similar (or connected) events (that in the case
if we split a photon into two different places).
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From: Victor Porton <porton.victor@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Time machine implies existence of God?
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