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Article #14692Re: Time machine implies existence of God?
From: Victor Porton
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:24
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:24
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On Feb 5, 11:16 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 5, 2:56 pm, Victor Porton <porton.vic...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 10:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 5, 1:53 pm, Victor Porton <por...@narod.ru> wrote: > > > > > I have the following rough idea: > > > > > Suppose some kind of time machine exists (it may be e.g. two connected > > > > moving blackholes with wormhole between). > > > > > Suppose somebody want to use it to travel in the past when he was a > > > > child and kill himself in the childhood. > > > > > If he would do it it would violate basic principles. > > > > > So something necessarily would disturb him to do it. > > > > > It looks like that the force which would disturb him to do it shall be > > > > very clever. I suspect that this way we would deduce existence of God. > > > > > Can we put it in rigorous mathematical formulas, such as requiring > > > > existence in physical reality a function which could solve any math > > > > problem on its input? (We may think about a mathematician borrowing a > > > > theorem from the future, so that there would be no man who proved the > > > > theorem first, or something similar to find such a solving function, I > > > > suspect.) > > > > > Also I suspect that something similar may be deduced from existence of > > > > faster-than-light quantum teleportation (because it violated the > > > > principle of causality in the sense of Relativity Theory). > > > > > So, can anybody formulate these physical theories in exact formulas > > > > (about a "solving any problems" physical function)? > > > > First of all, it does no good to suppose something that violates known > > > laws of physics. If an event violates the laws of physics, then it > > > won't happen, and that's not because something clever stopped it. > > > > Likewise, there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine, > > > because that violates some laws of physics. This doesn't mean that > > > something clever has stepped in to keep a perpetual motion machine > > > from working. > > > I am not a physicist. But I heard that two connected moving blackholes > > with wormhole between can act as time machine. I'm not sure whether > > this is true, but I suppose it may be true, based on opinion of some > > physicists. > > I'm not sure where you've heard this. What is true is that there are > some conjectures about whether wormholes *might* permit this, but it > isn't clear whether the laws of physics permit it. I can assure you, > though, that the conjecture is not of the sort, "We believe that the > laws of physics permit it, but something ELSE is keeping it from > happening." > > > > > Also: AFAIK, quantum teleportation is a known fact. Can we deduce some > > problem solving function from quantum teleportation? I just ask, I > > don't know. > > Quantum teleportation is a poor word used in Popular Science articles > to describe something that physicists call quantum entanglement. This > is no less interesting, and I do suggest you look into it, but what is > already known is that there is no faster-than-light signaling that is > going on in quantum entanglement. Quantum mechanics is completely > compatible with special relativity, and has been shown to be so since > 1928, when Paul Dirac specifically made a fully relativistic quantum > explanation for observed behavior. What prevents passing faster-than-light signaling through quantum entanglement? Please explain for a dilettante like me could understand. I have the idea (maybe stupid, I'm not a physicist) that quantum entanglement creates two connected worlds (including even the researchers which research quantum entanglement) which in a sense mirror each other with similar (or connected) events (that in the case if we split a photon into two different places).
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