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Re: ***********MIND-BLOWING GEDANKENEXPERIMENT**********

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From: Mitsuharu Hadeishi
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:59
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In response to the argument having to do with the pair-singularity "issue",
Jack Sarfatti responds:

The argument in message 5 is
from Carlton Caves at USC he sent me a letter and it seems to me to be
totally crazy - a nonsequitor. My pair desnity matrix for both photon
remains Trace 1 after the evolution through the half-wave plate. Probability
is conserved as far as I can see. Where does  |h2> + |v2> and |h2> - |v2>
which are single particle state come from? Certainly not from my total
experimental arrangement. The argument is a total non-sequitor - unless I
am stupid and crazy - which is a possibility of course. It seems to me
that very good physicists become absolutely incompetent and irrational
when faced with my very simple argument. Are they saying that half-wave
plates behave differently for pair correlated light than for uncorrelated
light? That would be an interesting phenomenon it true.
Given [|v1>|v2> + |h1>|h2>]/sqrt2 , if by local unitary evolution the
phase plate sends |v2> -> e^iphi|v2> and the have wave plate sends
|h2> -> |v2> (half wave plates rotate plane of linear polarization by
90 degrees says every optics text book) And I am using exactly the same
method that Wooters and Zurek used to prove that you cannot clone a photon
for arbitrary linear polarization in a laser amplifier which disproved Nick
Herberts FLASH FTL communicator - then evidently by the linearity, unitarity
and superposition principles and by elementary algebra of the distributive
law for kets
The initial entangled state [v1>|v2> + |h1>|h2>]/sqrt2 ->
[|v1> + e^iphi|h1>]|v2>/sqrt2 probability is conserved! p(v1,v2) = 1/2 and
p(h1,v2) = 1/2 { p(v1,h2) = 0, p(h1,h2) = 0, p(v1) = 1/2, p(h1) = 1/2,
p(v2) = 1, p(h2) = 0} so what is this garbage that probability is not
conserved. What false nonsense. What is this garbage that |v2> + |h2>
or |v1> - |h2> have any relevance to the problem whatsoever? Is every
one crazy? (I do not mean everyone I just mean academics in physics
departments - and only a subset of them at that.). I rest my case.
PLEASE PUT THIS ON INTERNET SO THAT THE WORLD CAN JUDGE. Someone out there
must be able to be rational about this. I am quite ready to accept that
I have made some sort of mistake - but the "spin-flip mystery" argument
is total nonsense as far as I can see.


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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!nic!mitsu
From: mitsu@nic.cerf.net (Mitsuharu Hadeishi)
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Subject: Re: ***********MIND-BLOWING GEDANKENEXPERIMENT**********
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Date: 25 Jul 92 05:59:16 GMT
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