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Article #1504Re: Converting the masses
From: Matt Austern
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:09
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:09
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In article <mcirvin.712113680@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes: > > It's perfectly reasonable to talk about the mass of a > > macroscopic object. The inertial mass of the object > > can be operationally defined in terms of the force > > that has to be applied to the object to produce a given > > rate of acceleration. > > In order to spare straw personnel further injury, let me state that > the relativistic mass is obtained in this manner not from F = ma, > but from F = dp/dt and p = mv. I'm not at all sure that this is just a straw man: I believe that one of the dangers of "relativistic mass" is that it leads people to believe (mistakenly) that, using this as the "m" in equations of Newtonian kinematics, these equations still remain valid relativistically. I think it is worth pointint out that many Newtonian equations have to be modified in a relativistic context, and that, no matter what definition of mass is used, equations like F=ma and E=(1/2)mv^2 are only valid in the nonrelativistic regime. Certainly the original poster suggested that he wanted to define mass to be the constant of proportionality between force and acceleration, not that he wanted it to be the constant of proportionality between velocity and momentum. -- Matthew Austern I dreamt I was being followed by a roving band of (510) 644-2618 of young Republicans, all wearing the same suit, matt@physics.berkeley.edu taunting me and shouting, "Politically correct austern@theorm.lbl.gov multiculturist scum!"... They were going to make austern@lbl.bitnet me kiss Jesse Helms's picture when I woke up.
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!sun-barr!ames!agate!agate!matt From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Converting the masses Date: 25 Jul 92 23:09:27 Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <MATT.92Jul25230927@physics2.berkeley.edu> References: <9868@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> <1992Jul22.193837.18095@sfu.ca> <131163@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <1992Jul25.194550.1970@smsc.sony.com> <mcirvin.712113680@husc8> Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu's message of 26 Jul 92 01:21:20 GMT