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Article #1517Re: Defining Photons
From: Mcirvin
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:28
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:28
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snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes: > Your criticism is noted and forwarded to my sources. However my > personal evaluation is that you are missing the point. When the > word ``particle'' is both applied to that which has no mass and > to that which does have mass, we must seriously question the > choice of words used, for the sake of clarity ,if nothing else . Okay... here's the point. Even though photons have no mass, we call them particles because they are things that carry energy and momentum in discrete quantities, and they can be located (sometimes) within a local region of space. So even though they don't have rest mass, they act in some ways like little objects, so we might as well call them particles. It's nice that you or whoever found a way to relate a quantity of rest mass to the energy contained in the photon. But this isn't a necessary prerequisite to calling it a particle. > If you are a college professor , the taxpayers or students pay > you to enlighten and clarify issues pertaining to your specialty. > Why then have you not yet found a word other than ``particle'' to > describe that which has no mass , to differentiate it from that > which does?. Because we don't regard rest mass as the essential property that makes it proper to use the word "particle." It's true that it doesn't satisfy all the things we normally associate with, say, specks of dust, but we think that it isn't so huge an extension of the term to merit scrapping it. "Phenomenon," which you suggest, is too vague. *Anything* could be a phenomenon. No pre-existing word is there to fit the concept exactly, and in this case it has been deemed better to bend an existing word than to make up a new one. > I think it's because some of you would prefer to > confuse people rather than teach them. Please... *must* everything be a conspiracy theory? I understand that you were responding to a posting that might be interpretable as a flame, but please don't fall into the trap of assuming that physicists are committing intentional obscurantism, perhaps to hide Big Secrets from the public. Once you make that assumption you have excluded yourself from the possibility of learning any more physics. Physicists pick words because, to them, they seem to fit concepts adequately, or because they evoke desired images in the imagination, or just because they like the sound of the word. Sometimes the choice of words is not the best, but any physicist who did this intentionally would confuse her or his own colleagues to such an extent that the work would be forgotten. The terms used in good popular treatments are, by and large, the same ones used in the scientific literature; it's not as if there is some separate secret literature in which everything is spelled out in plainer speech. In a bookstore, I recently saw a volume in which the author claimed that general relativity was being made difficult to learn in a concerted effort to keep people from using it to extract free energy from the sun's gravitational field! It made me very sad, and a little frightened about the possible consequences of such beliefs becoming widespread. People who do physics *should* make an effort to teach people about what they do, if only to counter speculation that they're hiding something. -- Matt McIrvin mcirvin@husc.harvard.edu
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!mips!sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!ogicse!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc10!mcirvin From: mcirvin@husc10.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Defining Photons Keywords: Relating photons E=MC^2 criticism Message-ID: <mcirvin.712178899@husc10> Date: 26 Jul 92 19:28:19 GMT Article-I.D.: husc10.mcirvin.712178899 References: <3942@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> Lines: 64 Nntp-Posting-Host: husc10.harvard.edu