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Article #15266Re: Notes on physical Absolute
From: Sergey Karavashkin
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:59
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:59
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Dear Mitchell, I absolutely agree with you that [M.J.] Physics cannot do without the aether [S.K.] And relativists understand it no less than you and me, they only take a position of doubting Thomas. We all understand the reason of this ballet pose. The presence of material medium fully debunks the relativistic conception based on the constant velocity of light in all reference frames. So they all are speaking of immaterial aether, geometrical aether, virtual aether etc. Bob also formerly said so, but the more evidences appear the more he ignores them. So we basically cannot prove something to Bob. His basic unwilling to understand something doubting the Einsteinism is his position irrespectively of arguments which he requires. How much evidences have been already given - he does not and will never accept. He even spuriously says, [B.K.] You could say that but we know entrained aether contradicts stellar aberration [S.K.] Nothing to say further! We cannot think him non-erudite, this means, he perfectly knows, the aberration just has been explained from the view of aether and is fine calculated in the model experiment on the water. It is just necessary for aberration, the light to propagate in some medium relatively to which the signal receiver moves. In the considered case, your analogy with a bullet is proper and often used. Only, please don't extend it substantiating the photon theory. The theory of photon is doomed the same as Einsteinian relativism (this is a large separate talk begun long ago, and it will be finished not so soon). I only think, you unnecessarily complicated your explanation of the aberration with the following supposition: [M.J.] That is true only if all of the aether is hypothesized to be rigidly attached to the Sun, with no part of it being carried along by other celestial bodies such as the Earth. In that case it is obvious that light waves arriving at the Earth would be moving directly away from the true position of the Sun, and would show no aberration. Gravitationally entrained aether, however, does *not* contradict stellar aberration, because each celestial body entrains a pool of aether within the region in which its gravitational field is dominant. That means the Sun entrains a vast pool of aether which moves with it, but *only* out to the point where the gravitational field of the Earth becomes stronger. Result: light moves straight out from the true position of the Sun *until* it encounters the pool of aether entrained by and moving with the Earth. At that point, it is aberrated due to the relative motion of the Earth's aether relative to that of the Sun. Crossing the boundary from the Sun's pool of aether into the pool of aether moving with the Earth has the effect of giving the incoming photons a velocity component of 18 miles/sec opposite to the direction of Earth's motion in its orbit, and produces the aberration that is, in fact, observed. [S.K.] The aberration caused by the Sun also exists, but in this case the effect is concealed by the size and fade of Sun disk. It is mainly caused by the Earth rotation and, as a second-order effect, by the Earth's orbit ellipticity. The around-the-Earth boundary layer of the aether is able to distort additionally the value of angle of aberration, but it does not determine the existence of the very effect. To the point, this all follows from your correct premise that the light is deviated by the entities filling the pool where it travels. However in your explanation of the aberration two effects superimpose. The aberration as it is is caused by the Earth motion, and the additional effects are caused by the difference of velocities of the aether in space. Concerning the light deflection in the field of Sun, the statement of problem is another. Here we first have to account the refraction effect caused by a large temperature gradient in the pool of Sun. The fact that the relativist ignore it has the reason, its accounting is disadvantageous for them. So the relativists calculate this effect at the conditions approximated to the Earth conditions, only take less pressure of the gas medium. However with the T-gradient growing the refraction effect will abruptly ascend and is able to overlap their gravitational shift which is not so large as the relativists have calculated. If we speak of the experiments on which the relativists base, they don't stand the criticism at all. I wrote of it more detailed in my post of 2002-10-16 to Franz Heymann in the thread "What's a free photon?": Citation: [F.H.] The transverse momentum acquired by a photon passing close by the limb of the sun has been observed. [S.K.] If we look at the photos of stars shift obtained in the similar experiments by Campbell and Trumpler, we can see that there was less than a dozen pure radial shifts of 112 observed stars of two near-solar-disk zones, while most of them have an inclined either tangential shift or no shift at all. With it one can trace no stable regularity. For example, the tracks of stars 98 and 99 cross each other. The stars 66, 55, 57, 43, 73, 29, 77 haven't shifted at all, though they are in the near zone. The star 86 has shifted tangentially, while the neighbouring to it star 82 was immovable. The same for stars 104 and 101, and with it the near-placed star 102 has shifted approximately radially. The alongside stars 11 and 12, 14 have the opposite shifts. The same concerns the stars 44 and 17, 70 and 77, etc. If one considers such result positive, what for have we to experiment at all? It would be simpler to paint or to construct in a computer; this will more precisely correspond to the desired effect, and one hasn't spend money for expeditions. Complete profit. ;-) Uncitation. The relativists don't care, Bob as well. It is of no importance for them. You absolutely right noticed as to the governmental religion. They need nothing more. Why, what physics? What for? ;-) Kind regards, Sergey.
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