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Article #15605Re: how does light (photon) escapes sun's gravity?
From: Y.Porat
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:21
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:21
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On Oct 29, 6:00Β pm, shay...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Oct 29, 12:09 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > ...you will have to give a straightforward answer to > > the following question: Are the "strongest validations of GR" > > consistent with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) or are they > > consistent with Einstein's final equation c'=c(1+2V/c^2)? > > This was already answered last week. Here's the answer again. > > On Oct 24, 12:20 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > The speed of light varies with the gravitational potential V and > > Einstein has given two respective equations: c'=c(1+V/c^2), Einstein's > > 1911 equation, and c'=c(1+2V/c^2), his final decision. > > The link you cited clearly explains that, in the completed theory of > general relativity, when expressed in terms of Schwarzschild > coordinates near a spherically symmetrical mass, the speed of light > is > 1 + 2V in the radial direction and 1 + V in the tangential direction. > > In 1911 Einstein was working on a theory with a scalar potential that > gave a speed of light that depended only on position, given by 1 + V, > but > by 1915 he had realized this doesn't work. It's necessary for the > speed > of light to depend not just on the location, but also on the > direction. > This means instead of a "scalar potential" he needed a "tensor > potential". > It so happens that the scalar formula he gave in 1911 was correct for > the tangential direction, but not for the radial direction. > > > Both hypnotists and zombies in Einstein criminal cult should stop > > repeating "Not variable locally" (a rather silly red herring)... > > That isn't exactly a "red herring", it's just stated rather sloppily. > The point is that, in general relativity, the coordinate system can > be > chosen arbitrarily (the field equations are generally covariant), so > the "speed of light" depends on the choice of coordinate system. This > is also true in special relativity, but in that case there is a > natural "best" choice of coordinate systems, namely, the inertial > coordinate systems, and in terms of those coordinates the speed of > light is always c. Β In general relativity there is no longer a > natural > best choice of coordinate systems, because it isn't possible to > define > a global inertial coordinate system (due to the curvature of > spacetime). It's like trying to define a Cartesian coordinate system > over the whole surface of the Earth. So we have to use some other > coordinate systems, like Schwarzschild coordinates, in terms of which ----------------------- no need for Schwarzschild coordinate system in the above example the Polar system is good enough !!!! ATB Y.Porat -------------------------------------------- >
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