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Article #15768Re: Newtonian explanation of gravitational time dilation possible?
From: Spaceman
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:39
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:39
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Danny Milano wrote: > On Jul 17, 9:55 pm, Albertito <albertito1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 17, 1:53 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 17, 2:37 pm, Danny Milano <milanoda...@yahoo.com> wrote in >>> sci.physics: >> >>>> Hi, >> >>>> When objects are in strong gravity. Time literally slows down >>>> (not SR wise but literally) such that in the moon, time is >>>> faster because earth gravity make our time slower. >> >>>> According to a famous anti-relativist who wrote an >>>> award winning book. The explanation is related to >>>> what Mitchell said that when object moves from >>>> low gravity to high gravity, there is loss of energy and >>>> reduction of frequency and increase of wavelength >>>> and this causes redshifting. Time slows down too as >>>> a result of this by causing influences on the atoms. >>>> This is a newtonian explanation against the pure >>>> spacetime concept where time slows down because >>>> of the geometry distortion. >> >>>> IIs the newtonian explanation possible? Can it be >>>> falsified by empirical data? >> >>>> Danny >> >>> There is a textbook formula: >> >>> (frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength) >> >>> that both relativists and anti-relativists accept. According to this >>> formula, if the frequency decreases in a gravitational field, then >>> either the wavelength increases and the speed of light remains >>> constant, or the speed of light decreases and the wavelength remains >>> constant. Which alternative is physically more reasonable? >> >>> Pentcho valev >>> pva...@yahoo.com >> >> There may be more alternatives: >> >> L = wavelength >> c = speed of light >> >> 1. Both L and c decrease, but L decreases >> at lower rate. >> 2. Both L and c increase, but L increases >> at higher rate. >> >> The above cases complete yours, >> >> 3. L remains constant and c decreases. >> 4. c remains constant and L increases.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > What has this got to do with say chemical reactions > going in slow motion?? How do you successfully > create a pseudo time dilation in classical mechanics??? By learning about clock malfunctions first. and finding out that "time dilatons" are merely action/reaction changes and are still all newtonian based. -- James M Driscoll Jr Spaceman
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