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Re: Newtonian explanation of gravitational time dilation possible?

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From: Spaceman
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:39
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Danny Milano wrote:
> On Jul 17, 9:55 pm, Albertito <albertito1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 1:53 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> On Jul 17, 2:37 pm, Danny Milano <milanoda...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> sci.physics:
>>
>>>> Hi,
>>
>>>> When objects are in strong gravity. Time literally slows down
>>>> (not SR wise but literally) such that in the moon, time is
>>>> faster because earth gravity make our time slower.
>>
>>>> According to a famous anti-relativist who wrote an
>>>> award winning book. The explanation is related to
>>>> what Mitchell said that when object moves from
>>>> low gravity to high gravity, there is loss of energy and
>>>> reduction of frequency and increase of wavelength
>>>> and this causes redshifting. Time slows down too as
>>>> a result of this by causing influences on the atoms.
>>>> This is a newtonian explanation against the pure
>>>> spacetime concept where time slows down because
>>>> of the geometry distortion.
>>
>>>> IIs the newtonian explanation possible? Can it be
>>>> falsified by empirical data?
>>
>>>> Danny
>>
>>> There is a textbook formula:
>>
>>> (frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
>>
>>> that both relativists and anti-relativists accept. According to this
>>> formula, if the frequency decreases in a gravitational field, then
>>> either the wavelength increases and the speed of light remains
>>> constant, or the speed of light decreases and the wavelength remains
>>> constant. Which alternative is physically more reasonable?
>>
>>> Pentcho valev
>>> pva...@yahoo.com
>>
>> There may be more alternatives:
>>
>> L = wavelength
>> c = speed of light
>>
>> 1. Both L and c decrease, but L decreases
>> at lower rate.
>> 2. Both L and c increase, but L increases
>> at higher rate.
>>
>> The above cases complete yours,
>>
>> 3. L remains constant and c decreases.
>> 4. c remains constant and L increases.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
> What has this got to do with say chemical reactions
> going in slow motion?? How do you successfully
> create a pseudo time dilation in classical mechanics???

By learning about clock malfunctions first.
and finding out that "time dilatons" are merely action/reaction
changes and are still all newtonian based.

-- 
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
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