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Article #15770Re: Newtonian explanation of gravitational time dilation possible?
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:55
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:55
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Honest Roberts how could you place so many idiocies in such a short text: On Jul 17, 4:19 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Danny Milano wrote: > > Is the newtonian explanation possible? > > This depends on what you mean. If one simply computes lightwave energy > loss from mgh and equates it to a change in hf, one obtains essentially > the same result as GR for weak fields (expressed differently, as GR has > no Planck constant). > > This, of course, goes beyond Newtonian physics, as E=hf is > a quantum equation. > > BUT: Newtonian physics cannot explain the time dilation of SR due to > relative speed. This implies that the Newtonian "explanation" is either: > > A) inconsistent with the equivalence principle (EP) > or > B) self inconsistent Incredible. Honest Roberts if you cannot explain why the greenness of the crocodile exceeds its length, does it mean you are self inconsistent? > This can be seen by considering a clock on a centrifuge -- the EP plus > gravitational redshift clearly imply it will tick slower than a clock at > rest and located adjacent to its path [#]. Whoever told you that, Honest Roberts? Divine Albert in chapter 23 in his "Relativity"? > Analyzed in the inertial > frame of the centrifuge center, taking an appropriate limit implies that > speed alone must induce time dilation of the clock, and Newtonian > mechanics is inconsistent with that. How could it be consistent with such an idiocy Honest Roberts? > > The EP applied to a clock on a centrifuge was an important > step for Einstein on the road to GR. He recognized that the > time dilation of SR implies gravitational redshift. Honest Roberts what are you talking about? Do you have a toothache? > > [#] This is, of course, an implementation of the twin scenario. Twin scenario with or without accleration, Honest Roberts? > > > Can it be > > falsified by empirical data? > > Assuming you use a self-consistent model, then any test of the > equivalence principle will falsify such an "explanation". And the only self-consistent model is....let me guess....yes, Divine Albert's Divine Theory! Einstein zombie world sings and goes into convulsions on hearing this: "YES WE ALL BELIEVE IN RELATIVITY, RELATIVITY, RELATIVITY" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PkLLXhONvQ "DIVINE EINSTEIN" http://www.bnl.gov/community/Tours/EinsteinPics/Einsteine.jpg http://www.haverford.edu/physics-astro/songs/divine.htm http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-58/iss-7/images/devine_einstein.mp3 Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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X-Google-Thread: 10b271,f851fbf1e44a85c8 X-Google-Thread: 10f545,f851fbf1e44a85c8 X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,86bfa09934b215c X-Google-Thread: 111645,86bfa09934b215c X-Google-Thread: f74ae,86bfa09934b215c X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid10f545,gidfa4c1,gid111645,gidf74ae,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique,sci.astro Subject: Re: Newtonian explanation of gravitational time dilation possible? Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 77 Message-ID: <f1e8a617-9610-41bc-a9e5-cfc68506f648@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> References: <6b50904d-fca8-4d6a-9a82-c145040d5e2f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <FyIfk.29892$co7.15438@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.2.86.30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216306505 7010 127.0.0.1 (17 Jul 2008 14:55:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.2.86.30; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)