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Article #15782Re: Newtonian explanation of gravitational time dilation possible?
From: Danny Milano
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:06
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:06
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On Jul 17, 9:55ย pm, Albertito <albertito1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 17, 1:53 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 2:37 pm, Danny Milano <milanoda...@yahoo.com> wrote in > > sci.physics: > > > > Hi, > > > > When objects are in strong gravity. Time literally slows down > > > (not SR wise but literally) such that in the moon, time is > > > faster because earth gravity make our time slower. > > > > According to a famous anti-relativist who wrote an > > > award winning book. The explanation is related to > > > what Mitchell said that when object moves from > > > low gravity to high gravity, there is loss of energy and > > > reduction of frequency and increase of wavelength > > > and this causes redshifting. Time slows down too as > > > a result of this by causing influences on the atoms. > > > This is a newtonian explanation against the pure > > > spacetime concept where time slows down because > > > of the geometry distortion. > > > > IIs the newtonian explanation possible? Can it be > > > falsified by empirical data? > > > > Danny > > > There is a textbook formula: > > > (frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength) > > > that both relativists and anti-relativists accept. According to this > > formula, if the frequency decreases in a gravitational field, then > > either the wavelength increases and the speed of light remains > > constant, or the speed of light decreases and the wavelength remains > > constant. Which alternative is physically more reasonable? > > > Pentcho valev > > pva...@yahoo.com > > There may be more alternatives: > > L = wavelength > c = speed of light > > 1. Both L and c decrease, but L decreases > ย ย at lower rate. > 2. Both L and c increase, but L increases > ย ย at higher rate. > > The above cases complete yours, > > 3. L remains constant and c decreases. > 4. c remains constant and L increases.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What has this got to do with say chemical reactions going in slow motion?? How do you successfully create a pseudo time dilation in classical mechanics??? D.
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