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Answers to Mr. Ben : Michelson's mirrors Re: How to explain the Michelson-Morley experiment without SR?

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From: Yanick Toutain
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:56
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Answers to Mr. Ben : Michelson's mirrors

Dear Mr. Ben


My 3 texts about the experience of Mr. Anton Zeilinger and Mr. Markus
Aspelmeyer are also an introduction for a text about the mirrors of
Michelson


You have written




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"Just to refresh memories, they looked for the ether, trying to
measure the velocity of the earth through it. Their interferometer
floated on the surface of a tank to eliminate vibrations. They tried
during different times of the year, when the motion of the earth
around the sun was going in opposite directions relative to the stars.
And they tried just rotating the interferometer. The sensitivity of
the interferometer was such that they should have been able to detect
motion at a small fraction of the speed of light. "




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I refuse the ether (I am a Newtonist, a partisan or Isaac Newton).
Only vacuum and atomOs.




But you're right:




"Just to refresh memories, they looked for the ether, trying to
measure the velocity of the earth through it. Their interferometer
floated on the surface of a tank to eliminate vibrations. "




But you need to say that Albert Michelson forgot the motion of the
Earth.


Then you wrote:




" They tried during different times of the year, when the motion of
the earth around the sun was going in opposite directions relative to
the stars. And they tried just rotating the interferometer. "




The motion of revolution of the Earth is not 30 km/s. That motion is
250 km/s.




Then




When you wrote




" The sensitivity of the interferometer was such that they should have
been able to detect motion at a small fraction of the speed of light.
"




Your opinion is wrong.




Michelson and Morley and Miller were wrong about that: They ignored
the motion of the Sun.




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You wrote:




"They never did find any evidence of motion through the ether.




Conclusion: Either a) the luminiferous ether that fills all space and
transmits light to us from the stars is fixed to a floating
interferometer in a tank in the basement of Adelbert Hall at Western
Reserve University, or b) there is no ether, or c) galilean relativity
is wrong, or some combination of these ideas."




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I agree about b)




A) is stupid: the vibrations of the ether need to prove that the ether
exists. Huygens never proved it. (neither Francesco Grimaldi)




The waves are always the movement and/or the vibration of bodies.




The bricks of matter are photons (Newton wrote it)




The bricks of photons are atomOs (materialists think that since
antiquity: atomOs are the last bricks.




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C) Let Galileo Galilei quiet: if you want to use his texts you must
write the texts.




Einsteinists use his name to create a smog of smoke.




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I will answer B) later




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You concluded




"Einstein proposed (independently of this experiment, which he learned
about later)answer c), and that if there is an ether, it is so clever
at hiding from us that we can never detect it.




What do the anti-relativity folk have to say about this experiment? I
predict that Spaceman will say their interferometer malfunctioned.




Some will say that Michelson and Morley must have been Jewish. Other
than that, I am curious.




Uncle Ben "




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Einstein was a Zionist: he went in USA with Chaim Weizmann (2nd April
of 1921) to collect money for the Zionism (an "Hebraic university").




But it is not the PROOF that his thesis was stupid.




Kings of Belgium, of Spain, of Japan supported him: Three killers of
poor people, killers of African workers, killers of Spanish republican
workers, killers of Asian workers. Albert Einstein traveled around the
world to thank them.(1921-1922).




But it is not the PROOF that his thesis was stupid.




He was going to smile to the killer Hiro-Hito when he knew that he has
obtained the Nobel Price.




But it is not the PROOF that his thesis was stupid.




Vatican, Jerusalem Muslims chiefs, Jewish chiefs, reincarnated
Buddhists, agree with him




But it is not the PROOF that his thesis was stupid.




(Read the apologists: Banesh Hoffman and Langevin)




I don't know if Michelson, Morley and Miller believed in god or were
bigots...




BUT




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My answer and my arguments for B)




1°) The possible speed of 5011 km/s (objective speed) need to use
large mirrors. If the mirrors are too small, the photons will go
beside.




2°) the photons will not arrive at the same place on the receptor.




3° The delay will be higher than the delay with a little stupid speed
of 30 km/s.




Conclusion: the" experience of Michelson" is a stupid pseudo
experience of two clowns that ignore what Herschel have discovered one
century before: the motion of the Sun in the direction of the apex
(19,6 km/s) (Hercules)




The results of the experience of two clowns that ignore such a motion
are a very good brick to build a stupid pseudo theory like the
relativity.




Lenin, in "Materialism and empiriocriticism" ignored Einstein: He
answered to him.




The reality is objective. The time also, the space also.




He was writing against Bogdanov / Malinovsky, against Mach, against
Poincaré, against Bishop Berkeley.




He was a Newtonist!




We will win.




I am finishing my excel drawings to show the motion of the photons
during the pseudo experience of the two clowns Michelson and Morley.



On 10 juil, 18:40, Uncle Ben <b...@greenba.com> wrote:
> How does the anti-Einstein crowd explain the famous Michelson-Morley
> experiment?
>
> Just to refresh memories, they looked for the ether, trying to measure
> the velocity of the earth through it.  Their interferometer floated on
> the suface of a tank to eliminate vibrations.  They tried during
> different times of the year, when the motion of the earth around the
> sun was going in opposite directions relative to the stars. And they
> tried just rotating the interferometer.  The sensitivity of the
> interferometer was such that they should have been able to detect
> motion at a small fraction of the speed of light.
>
> They never did find any evidence of motion through the ether.
> Conclusion: Either a) the luminiferous ether that fills all space and
> transmits light to us from the stars is fixed to a floating
> interferometer in a tank in the basement of Adelbert Hall at Western
> Reserve University, or b) there is no ether, or c) galillean
> relativity is wrong, or some combination of these ideas.
>
> Einstein proposed (independently of this experiment,which he learned
> about later) answer c), and that if there is an ether, it is so clever
> at hiding from us that we can never detect it.
>
> What do the anti-relativity folk have to say about this experiment?  I
> predict that Spaceman will say their interferometer malfunctioned.
> Some will say that Michelson and Morley must have been Jewish.  Other
> than that, I am curious.
>
> UncleBen
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