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Re: The problems with a "constant" speed

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From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:53
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On Jul 5, 12:40 am, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
wrote in sci.physics:
> The speed of light is simply a speed.
> It is 186,000 miles per second.
> How can any speed be not a relative speed?
> What makes 186,000 miles per second immune
> to relative motion?
> The speed of light can not be constant to all
> unless it is immune to relative motion.
> And if it is immune to relative motion, then
> it is not a "speed" at all.
>
> Speed can not be "non" relative.
> :)
>
> Relativists have created a parodox as the base
> of thier church foundation.
> :)
>
> --
> James M Driscoll Jr
> Spaceman

The constant speed axiom (c'=c), being false, was able to produce
absurdities - length contraction, time dilation etc. - that looked
like miracles to 20th century people. So Albert the Plagiarist became
Divine Albert. In 1907 the selfsame Albert (still "the Plagiarist")
started reintroducing the true principle of variability of the speed
of light (the true equation c'=c+v given by Newton's emission theory)
and so converted his "theory" into an INCONSISTENCY - something much
more dangerous than just a false theory:

http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm
"Einstein's Legacy -- Where are the "Einsteinians?", Lee Smolin:
"Quantum theory was not the only theory that bothered Einstein. Few
people have appreciated how dissatisfied he was with his own theories
of relativity. Special relativity grew out of Einstein's insight that
the laws of electromagnetism cannot depend on relative motion and that
the speed of light therefore must be always the same, no matter how
the source or the observer moves. Among the consequences of that
theory are that energy and mass are equivalent (the now-legendary
relationship E = mc2) and that time and distance are relative, not
absolute. SPECIAL RELATIVITY WAS THE RESULT OF 10 YEARS OF
INTELLECTUAL STRUGGLE, YET EINSTEIN HAD CONVINCED HIMSELF IT WAS WRONG
WITHIN TWO YEARS OF PUBLISHING IT."

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/OntologyOUP_TimesNR.pdf
"What Can We Learn about the Ontology of Space and Time from the
Theory of Relativity?", John D. Norton: "In general relativity there
is no comparable sense of the constancy of the speed of light. The
constancy of the speed of light is a consequence of the perfect
homogeneity of spacetime presumed in special relativity. There is a
special velocity at each event; homogeneity forces it to be the same
velocity everywhere. We lose that homogeneity in the transition to
general relativity and with it we lose the constancy of the speed of
light. Such was Einstein's conclusion at the earliest moments of his
preparation for general relativity. ALREADY IN 1907, A MERE TWO YEARS
AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE SPECIAL THEORY, HE HAD CONCLUDED THAT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT IS VARIABLE IN THE PRESENCE OF A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD;
indeed, he concluded, the variable speed of light can be used as a
gravitational potential."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
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