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Article #15824Re: in static space ? , ????? ?
From: Michael Helland
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:03
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:03
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On May 1, 5:24 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote: > Michael Helland wrote: > > On May 1, 4:25 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote: > >> Michael Helland wrote: > > >>> The beginning of Newton's Principia defined time and space as being > >>> both absolute and relative: > >> Observations show that is wrong. > > > Riddle me this, Sam. > > > Newton wrote: > > > "Relative space is some movable dimension or measure of the absolute > > spaces; which our senses determine by its position to bodies;" > > > It seems he is saying relative space is what makes up our measurements > > and observations. > > > I'd love to know. > > > How do observations show that is wrong? > > See:http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/SR/experi... > Sections 4 and on... Basically that says that space and time as they are studied in science are relative. Again, I point you to Newton's definition, which says that what we observe is relative space: "Relative space is some movable dimension or measure of the absolute spaces; which our senses determine by its position to bodies;" If, by definition, all observations of space are relative space, the only way to prove Newton's definition wrong is to observe absolute space. Which your cite says is impossible. Newton's definition of relative time and Einstein's definition of time are identical.
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