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Article #15828Re: Imposture de Copenhage,Imposture of Copenhage,Copenhage欺骗
From: srp2inc
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:36
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:36
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On 1 mai, 22:30, Yanick Toutain <YanickTout...@gmail.com> wrote: > Monsieur André Michaud > Je suis content de vous voir écrire sur ce forum, de constater la > pugnacité toujours effective de l'adversaire acharné des idioties de > Copenhague, l'adversaire du refus des causalités par le fasciste > Heisenberg. > Celui-ci cherchait à protéger son héros du déterminisme antérieur : il > ne fallait pas le Fürher soit déterminé par toute l'histoire humaine > antérieure. > Son apologie imbécile de la "volonté" n'est que propagande éhontée > pour le facisme.=========== > Mr André Michaud > I am glad to see you writing on this forum, to note the always > effective pugnacity of the keen adversary of idiocies of Copenhagen, > the adversary of the refusal of causalities by the Heisenberg fascist. > This one sought to protect its hero from the former determinism: one > did not need Fürher is determined by all the former human history. > Its idiotic apology for the “will” is only shameless propaganda for > the facism. > > =================== > Au fait, monsieur Michaud:quand allez vous donc cesser de me > considérer come transparent ? > Quand allez vous vous décider à répondre > -ou aux courriers que je vous ai envoyés, il y a plusieurs années, > sur vos deux boîte-aux-lettres > - ou aux messages publics que j'ai rédigés suite aux vôtres. > PS les inégalités de Heisenberg contiennent UNE chose et rien > d'autre : il existe un photon , le plus massif avec la plus courte > longueur d'onde. > La quantification des longueurs d'onde est un ajout. Cher monsieur Toutain Je ne vous considère pas comme transparent. Je suis simplement en désaccord avec vos positions trop extrêmes. Je ne suis pas en guerre contre Heisenberg ni personne d'autre. Le peu de temps dont je dispose pour interagir sur l'internet, je le consacre à tenter de sensibiliser les étudiants en physique à l'existence d'une vision autre que celle de l'école de Copenhague, et dont ils n'entendent jamais parler de manière positive par leurs profs. Je n'interviens d'ailleurs plus en français car la communauté internet française en physique est suffisemment petite pour que les jeunes soient trop effrayés par leurs profs pour discuter avec moi, ce qui n'est pas toujours le cas dans la communauté anglophone. André Michaud > ========================= > With the fact, Mr Michaud: when thus cease regarding me as > transparency? > When will decide to you to answer > - or with the mails that I sent to you, several years ago, on your > two letter-box > - or with the public messages which I wrote following yours. > PS the inequalities of Heisenberg contain a thing and anything else: > there exists the photon, most massive with the shortest wavelength. > The quantification wavelengths is an addition. > ========================= > > On 1 mai, 20:58, srp2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 1 mai, 09:58, Mike <elea...@yahoo.gr> wrote: > > > > On May 1, 9:46 am, Huang <huangxienc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Proof that existence is a dichotomy. > > > > > THERE IS NO such proof. > > > > > There is a view that something either exists, or it does not. That > > > > there is no "in -between". > > > > > There is no proof of this. None. > > > > > If we are talking about pure mathematics, there is no reason > > > > whatsoever that one should be banned from modelling something as being > > > > existentially indeterminate. That a cube or a point or a line exists > > > > with probability .5 say. > > > > > Physics may be a little different because it deals with nature. But in > > > > math, there is no reason whatsoever that existence should be required > > > > to be a dichotomy throughout all of mathematics. > > > > > There are plenty of cases where existence must be a dichotomy, but > > > > that does not prove that this is universally true. > > > > > The solution to f(x)=0 either exists or it does not. This is certainly > > > > a dichotomy, unless your choice of f(x) is allowed to be random > > > > somehow. But for all nonrandomly chosen f(x), certainly the existence > > > > of solutions _is_ a dichotomy. > > > > You confuse indeterminate solutions with existence or no of solutions. > > > > There are systems of logic where the law of excluded middle is not > > > used, i.e. pV~p is not required for consistency. > > > > In QM something neither exists nor it does not, until you observe it. > > > This is the Copenhagen interpretation of QM. The non-copenhagen > > interpretation (causalist) simply is that QM is unable to determine > > whether something exists or not while it is not being observed. > > > André Michaud > > > > Maybe, by sending telescopes in space, we are changing the universe > > > and affecting the way it operates. By the way, this is not my crackpot > > > theory, some well-known phycists came up with it. > > > > Mike
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