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Article #15846Re: LA SCIENCE: UNE FORTE PERTE DE CREDIT. EXPLICATION
From: Yanick Toutain
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:09
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:09
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On 17 déc, 11:14, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://dogma.free.fr/txt/EK-ScienceQuiestion.htm > Etienne Klein: "Par ailleurs, on remarque qu'aujourd'hui, les theses > <<relativistes>>, par exemple celle de Paul Feyerabend, ont un impact > tres fort, notamment dans les milieux etudiants. Meme si leur > diffusion s'accompagne de contresens et de malentendus, elles servent > de socle a des critiques de plus en plus vives adressees aux > professionnels de la recherche : Votre science dit-elle reellement le > vrai ? Comment osez-vous pretendre qu'elle se refere la rationalite > alors que les jugements esthetiques, les prejuges metaphysiques et > autres desirs subjectifs impregnent sinon sa demarche tout entiere, du > moins certaines de ses phases ? Votre legitimite incontestee est-elle > fondee sur autre chose que des effets de pouvoir?" > > http://www.i-sem.net/press/jmll_isem_palermo.pdf > Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond: "La science souffre d'une forte perte de > credit, au sens propre comme au sens figure : son soutien politique et > economique, comme sa reputation intellectuelle et culturelle > connaissent une crise grave." > > Cette "forte perte de credit" doit etre expliquee: > > Albert Einstein, "La Relativite", Chapitre 22: > "...conformement a la theorie de la relativite generale, la loi deja > souvent mentionnee de la constance de la vitesse de la lumiere dans le > vide, qui est une des deux suppositions fondamentales de la theorie de > la relativite restreinte, ne peut pas pretendre a une validite > illimitee. En effet, une courbure des rayons lumineux ne peut se > produire que si la vitesse de propagation de la lumiere varie avec le > lieu". > > Cet enonce d'Einstein est consistant avec: > > (A) Le second postulat d'Einstein:http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/"...light is > always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is > independent of the state of motion of the emitting body." > > (B) L'antithese du second postulat d'Einstein: La vitesse de la > lumiere varie avec la vitesse relative du corps emetteur et de > l'observateur. > > (A) ou (B)? Klein? Levy-Leblond? Eisenstaedt? Damour? Tannoudji? Paty? > Bitbol? Marietti? Alimi? Balibar? During? Barberousse? Darrigol? > Bricmont? Qu'en pensez vous? Silence? L'explication est donnee. > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com Dear Mr Valev If you want sincerely to help the true science (méterailiste scince) to progress, you must say clearly what is your opinion about whar you call "SPEED" Do you accept the Newton's notion of speed ? I put again my text about the three kind of speed. ============================================================== Cher Monsieur Valev Si vous souhaitez sincèrement faire progresser la scinece véritable, la science matérialiste, il faudra bien vous prononcer un jour clairement sur ce que VOUS vous appelez vitesse. Quel est votre véritable degré d'acceptation de la notion de vitesse telle qu'elle est developpée par Isaac Newton ? Je vous recopie le texte que j'avais écrit en bilingue Vous pourrez aussi consulter les extraits des Principia dans le lien ci dessous http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fmonsyte.site.voila.fr%2fde%2fla_nouvelle_etincelle.htm http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fmonsyte.site.voila.fr%2fde%2fles_derniers_ajouts.htm http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fmonsyte.site.voila.fr%2fde%2fsciences.html 3 KINDS OF SPEEDS : OBJECTIVE SPEED is the ONLY SPEED. There is only three kinds of speeds 1° The true speeds, the objective speeds, the absolute speeds of our master Newton (The distance between two objective places in the vacuum divided by a duration 2° The D-speed. The instantaneous change of distance between two objects : - a train and the railway station - a comet and the Earth - a photon and the Sun - my hand and my foot It is evident that these kind of "speed" is the difference between two true speeds, two objective speeds. (In French I have named D-speed = distesse) 3° The phi-speed (phi as the Greek letter in photon) It is the frequently most used speed by the physicists specialized in astronomy, but it's the most stupid invention of the positivists against the materialists ... and against the true science. That kind of speed is the difference of length of space traveled by two successive photons coming from an moving object in the direction of another moving object. It is as stupid to name it "a speed" as to name "speed" the difference between the length of a travel of a soldier coming from Arcole to Paris subtracted to the length of the travel of an another messenger coming from Austerlitz to Paris. And that difference divided by the duration while we were waiting for the second one after the first. That calculation doesn't give you the speed of the army of Napoleon ! We need a scientific revolution; we must win against the positivists. They have killed the science during 101 years. 1905 has been the grave of the materialism (and the second death of Isaac Newton). We must prove that objective (absolute) space exists. We must find our objective speed, our absolute speed. Newton was right and the swindlers of the orthodox "science" will appear as some old Ptolemos that didn't want the Earth to move. We know that the Earth is moving and we are sure that our objective speed is around, near the speed of 5000 kilometers by second (c / 60). The next five years will be the years of the most important discovery of the Humanity : our true speed in the vacuum, like a quick cosmic ship ! (We have only ONE ship !) Jack London said : Yours for the Revolution ! (We must discover this speed before the Iron Heel !) Yanick Toutain 09:19 02/12/2006 ================ ========================================================================= 3 SORTES DE VITESSES : LA VITESSE OBJECTIVE est la SEULE VITESSE. Il y a seulement trois sortes de vitesses 1 ° les vraies vitesses, les vitesses objectives, les vitesses absolues de notre Newton de maître (la distance entre deux places objectives dans le vide divisé par une durée 2 ° la D-vitesse. Le changement instantané de distance entre deux objets : -Un train et la station de chemin de fer -Une comète et la Terre -Un photon et le Soleil -Ma main et mon pied Il est évident que cette sorte "de vitesse" est la différence entre deux vraies vitesses, deux vitesses objectives. (En français j'ai nommé la D-vitesse = distesse) 3 ° la phi-vitesse (phi comme la lettre grecque dans photon) C'est la vitesse fréquemment la plus employée par les physiciens spécialisés dans l'astronomie, mais c'est l'invention la plus stupide des positivistes contre les matérialistes... Et contre la vraie science. Cette sorte de vitesse est la différence de longueur d'espace voyagé par deux photons successifs venant d'un objet se déplaçant dans la direction d'un autre objet de déplacement. Il est aussi stupide de le nommer "une vitesse" pour nommer "la vitesse" la différence entre la longueur d'un voyage d'un soldat venant d'Arcole à Paris soustrait à la longueur du voyage d'un autre messager venant d'Austerlitz à Paris. Et cette différence divisée par la durée tandis que nous attendions le deuxième après le premier. Ce calcul ne vous donne pas la vitesse de l'armée de Napoléon! Nous avons besoin d'une révolution scientifique; nous devons gagner contre les positivistes. Ils ont tué la science pendant 101 ans. 1905 a été la tombe du matérialisme (et la deuxième mort d'Isaac Newton). Nous devons prouver que l'espace objectif (absolu) existe. Nous devons trouver notre vitesse objective, notre vitesse absolue. Newton avait raison et les escrocs "de la science" orthodoxe apparaîtront comme quelque vieux Ptolemos qui n'a pas voulu que la Terre se soit déplacé. Nous savons que la Terre se déplace et nous sommes sûrs que notre vitesse objective est autour, près de la vitesse de 5000 kilomètres à la seconde (c / 60). Les cinq suivants ans seront les années de la découverte la plus importante de l'Humanité : notre vraie vitesse dans le vide, comme un bateau rapide cosmique! (Nous avons seulement UN bateau!) Jack London a dit : le Vôtre pour la Révolution! ( Nous devons découvrir cette vitesse avant le Talon de Fer!) Yanick Toutain 09:19 02/12/2006 Traduction automatique Web View (l'original en anglais a été écrit pour faire apparaître une version française ==============compréhensible ==================================== links here http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fmonsyte.site.voila.fr%2fde%2fsciences.html automatic systran translation SCIENCES LEADING ARTICLE Some doubted it but reality ended up being done day: The Earth advances in space, as well as the Sun. Admittedly, Newton, following Galileo had made the error to present its theory with a motionless Sun. That had let the ignoramuses such as Albert Einstein believe that the displacement of the Earth related simply to the Sun. But that was not at all the point of view of Newton. The earthmoving, for Isaac Newton was indeed a displacement compared to the vacuum itself. An absolute displacement. In that, it did nothing but follow the way traced by the old ones such as Démocrite, Lucrèce and the others. In his masterly work, the Lucrèce Roman defined the vacuum and the atomos : there are elementary bodies which are driven in the absolute vacuum. There exists nothing different. The ignare Einstein, which still believed in 1905 in the isotropy of space, built a theory claiming that the earthmovings were negligible: it thought that the photons deviated from the Earth as if it were motionless. It was unaware of that forwards, the photons deviated from the Earth of a distance shorter than the photons leaving backwards. It did not understand that the latter saw their 299 792 458 meters being added to the objective distance traversed by the Earth in one second. It did not understand that this distance, in one second, was the sum the objective speed of the photons in the vacuum and the objective speed of the Earth in the vacuum. This ignoramus, followed by one century of servile ignoramuses to the middle-class, sabotaged the heritage of the great Newton. This giant of the 17° century, this hero of science, in hillock with the sarcastic remarks of the anti-corpuscular continuists included/ understood well that all is made of particles which moved in the vacuum. He included/understood well that there exists of true movement only the absolute movements. Its universal gravitation is not looked at as the analysis of the relative movements of the bodies between them. Only the relativistic swindlers let a doubt plane on top because empty space disturbs their intellectual guide. Isaac Newton went even until wondering about conversion between the massive matter and the photons: "aren't the coarse bodies and the light mutually convertible, and the bodies cannot they receive a great part of their activity of the particles of light which use their composition? ". (city by James Gleik "Isaac Newton" p.190) ================== It is to honour the heritage with Newton that to understand that the planets zigzag, like all the bodies of the Universe, it is to honour Newton to seek our absolute velocity, to seek to include/understand the cause of the gravitation. It is with this work that the author of this site harnessed himself since 2000. You can note on Internet in the debates progress of this search in the medium of the vain sarcastic remarks of orthodoxe repeating. The chronology of the texts shows the slow but regular projections towards the comprehension of the photons as the single cause of the movements of the matter, like single component of the matter, and thus as causes single alleged gravitational "attraction". It is necessary to read, consequently the text of 2007 on the true equation of the gravitation hélioplanétaire.
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