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Re: LA SCIENCE: UNE FORTE PERTE DE CREDIT. EXPLICATION

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From: Yanick Toutain
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:09
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On 17 déc, 11:14, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://dogma.free.fr/txt/EK-ScienceQuiestion.htm
> Etienne Klein: "Par ailleurs, on remarque qu'aujourd'hui, les theses
> <<relativistes>>, par exemple celle de Paul Feyerabend, ont un impact
> tres fort, notamment dans les milieux etudiants. Meme si leur
> diffusion s'accompagne de contresens et de malentendus, elles servent
> de socle a des critiques de plus en plus vives adressees aux
> professionnels de la recherche : Votre science dit-elle reellement le
> vrai ? Comment osez-vous pretendre qu'elle se refere   la rationalite
> alors que les jugements esthetiques, les prejuges metaphysiques et
> autres desirs subjectifs impregnent sinon sa demarche tout entiere, du
> moins certaines de ses phases ? Votre legitimite incontestee est-elle
> fondee sur autre chose que des effets de pouvoir?"
>
> http://www.i-sem.net/press/jmll_isem_palermo.pdf
> Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond: "La science souffre d'une forte perte de
> credit, au sens propre comme au sens figure : son soutien politique et
> economique, comme sa reputation intellectuelle et culturelle
> connaissent une crise grave."
>
> Cette "forte perte de credit" doit etre expliquee:
>
> Albert Einstein, "La Relativite", Chapitre 22:
> "...conformement a la theorie de la relativite generale, la loi deja
> souvent mentionnee de la constance de la vitesse de la lumiere dans le
> vide, qui est une des deux suppositions fondamentales de la theorie de
> la relativite restreinte, ne peut pas pretendre a une validite
> illimitee. En effet, une courbure des rayons lumineux ne peut se
> produire que si la vitesse de propagation de la lumiere varie avec le
> lieu".
>
> Cet enonce d'Einstein est consistant avec:
>
> (A) Le second postulat d'Einstein:http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/"...light is
> always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is
> independent of the state of motion of the emitting body."
>
> (B) L'antithese du second postulat d'Einstein: La vitesse de la
> lumiere varie avec la vitesse relative du corps emetteur et de
> l'observateur.
>
> (A) ou (B)? Klein? Levy-Leblond? Eisenstaedt? Damour? Tannoudji? Paty?
> Bitbol? Marietti? Alimi? Balibar? During? Barberousse? Darrigol?
> Bricmont? Qu'en pensez vous? Silence? L'explication est donnee.
>
> Pentcho Valev
> pva...@yahoo.com

Dear Mr Valev
If you want sincerely to help the true science (méterailiste scince)
to progress, you must say clearly what is your opinion about whar you
call "SPEED"
Do you accept the Newton's notion of speed ?
I put again my text about the three kind of speed.


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Cher Monsieur Valev

Si vous souhaitez sincèrement faire progresser la scinece véritable,
la science matérialiste, il faudra bien vous prononcer un jour
clairement sur ce que VOUS vous appelez vitesse.
Quel est votre véritable degré d'acceptation de la notion de vitesse
telle qu'elle est developpée par Isaac Newton ?
Je vous recopie le texte que j'avais écrit en bilingue
Vous pourrez aussi consulter les extraits des Principia dans le lien
ci dessous
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3 KINDS OF SPEEDS : OBJECTIVE SPEED is the ONLY SPEED.
There is only three kinds of speeds
1° The true speeds, the objective speeds, the absolute speeds of our
master Newton (The distance between two objective places in the vacuum
divided by a duration
2° The D-speed. The instantaneous change of distance between two
objects :
- a train and the railway station
- a comet and the Earth
- a photon and the Sun
- my hand and my foot
It is evident that these kind of "speed" is the difference between two
true speeds, two objective speeds. (In French I have named D-speed =
distesse)
3° The phi-speed (phi as the Greek letter in photon)
It is the frequently most used speed by the physicists specialized in
astronomy, but it's the most stupid invention of the positivists
against the materialists ... and against the true science.
That kind of speed is the difference of length of space traveled by
two successive photons coming from an moving object in the direction
of another moving object.
It is as stupid to name it "a speed" as to name "speed" the difference
between the length of a travel of a soldier coming from Arcole to
Paris subtracted to the length of the travel of an another messenger
coming from Austerlitz to Paris. And that difference divided by the
duration while we were waiting for the second one after the first.
That calculation doesn't give you the speed of the army of Napoleon !
We need a scientific revolution; we must win against the positivists.
They have killed the science during 101 years. 1905 has been the grave
of the materialism (and the second death of Isaac Newton).
We must prove that objective (absolute) space exists.
We must find our objective speed, our absolute speed.
Newton was right and the swindlers of the orthodox "science" will
appear as some old Ptolemos that didn't want the Earth to move. We
know that the Earth is moving and we are sure that our objective speed
is around, near the speed of 5000 kilometers by second (c / 60). The
next five years will be the years of the most important discovery of
the Humanity : our true speed in the vacuum, like a quick cosmic
ship ! (We have only ONE ship !)
Jack London said : Yours for the Revolution !
(We must discover this speed before the Iron Heel !)
Yanick Toutain
09:19 02/12/2006

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3 SORTES DE VITESSES : LA VITESSE OBJECTIVE est la SEULE VITESSE.
Il y a seulement trois sortes de vitesses
1 ° les vraies vitesses, les vitesses objectives, les vitesses
absolues de notre Newton de maître (la distance entre deux places
objectives dans le vide divisé par une durée
2 ° la D-vitesse. Le changement instantané de distance entre deux
objets :
-Un train et la station de chemin de fer
-Une comète et la Terre
-Un photon et le Soleil
-Ma main et mon pied
Il est évident que cette sorte "de vitesse" est la différence entre
deux vraies vitesses, deux vitesses objectives. (En français j'ai
nommé la D-vitesse = distesse)
3 ° la phi-vitesse (phi comme la lettre grecque dans photon)
C'est la vitesse fréquemment la plus employée par les physiciens
spécialisés dans l'astronomie, mais c'est l'invention la plus stupide
des positivistes contre les matérialistes... Et contre la vraie
science.
Cette sorte de vitesse est la différence de longueur d'espace voyagé
par deux photons successifs venant d'un objet se déplaçant dans la
direction d'un autre objet de déplacement.
Il est aussi stupide de le nommer "une vitesse" pour nommer "la
vitesse" la différence entre la longueur d'un voyage d'un soldat
venant d'Arcole à Paris soustrait à la longueur du voyage d'un autre
messager venant d'Austerlitz à Paris. Et cette différence divisée par
la durée tandis que nous attendions le deuxième après le premier. Ce
calcul ne vous donne pas la vitesse de l'armée de Napoléon!
Nous avons besoin d'une révolution scientifique; nous devons gagner
contre les positivistes. Ils ont tué la science pendant 101 ans. 1905
a été la tombe du matérialisme (et la deuxième mort d'Isaac Newton).
Nous devons prouver que l'espace objectif (absolu) existe.
Nous devons trouver notre vitesse objective, notre vitesse absolue.
Newton avait raison et les escrocs "de la science" orthodoxe
apparaîtront comme quelque vieux Ptolemos qui n'a pas voulu que la
Terre se soit déplacé. Nous savons que la Terre se déplace et nous
sommes sûrs que notre vitesse objective est autour, près de la vitesse
de 5000 kilomètres à la seconde (c / 60). Les cinq suivants ans seront
les années de la découverte la plus importante de l'Humanité : notre
vraie vitesse dans le vide, comme un bateau rapide cosmique! (Nous
avons seulement UN bateau!)
Jack London a dit : le Vôtre pour la Révolution!
( Nous devons découvrir cette vitesse avant le Talon de Fer!)
Yanick Toutain
09:19 02/12/2006

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SCIENCES

LEADING ARTICLE

Some doubted it but reality ended up being done day: The Earth
advances in space, as well as the Sun.
Admittedly, Newton, following Galileo had made the error to present
its theory with a motionless Sun. That had let the ignoramuses such as
Albert Einstein believe that the displacement of the Earth related
simply to the Sun. But that was not at all the point of view of
Newton.
The earthmoving, for Isaac Newton was indeed a displacement compared
to the vacuum itself. An absolute displacement.
In that, it did nothing but follow the way traced by the old ones such
as Démocrite, Lucrèce and the others. In his masterly work, the
Lucrèce Roman defined the vacuum and the atomos : there are elementary
bodies which are driven in the absolute vacuum. There exists nothing
different.
The ignare Einstein, which still believed in 1905 in the isotropy of
space, built a theory claiming that the earthmovings were negligible:
it thought that the photons deviated from the Earth as if it were
motionless. It was unaware of that forwards, the photons deviated from
the Earth of a distance shorter than the photons leaving backwards. It
did not understand that the latter saw their 299 792 458 meters being
added to the objective distance traversed by the Earth in one second.
It did not understand that this distance, in one second, was the sum
the objective speed of the photons in the vacuum and the objective
speed of the Earth in the vacuum.
This ignoramus, followed by one century of servile ignoramuses to the
middle-class, sabotaged the heritage of the great Newton. This giant
of the 17° century, this hero of science, in hillock with the
sarcastic remarks of the anti-corpuscular continuists included/
understood well that all is made of particles which moved in the
vacuum. He included/understood well that there exists of true movement
only the absolute movements. Its universal gravitation is not looked
at as the analysis of the relative movements of the bodies between
them. Only the relativistic swindlers let a doubt plane on top because
empty space disturbs their intellectual guide.
Isaac Newton went even until wondering about conversion between the
massive matter and the photons: "aren't the coarse bodies and the
light mutually convertible, and the bodies cannot they receive a great
part of their activity of the particles of light which use their
composition? ". (city by James Gleik "Isaac Newton" p.190)

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It is to honour the heritage with Newton that to understand that the
planets zigzag, like all the bodies of the Universe, it is to honour
Newton to seek our absolute velocity, to seek to include/understand
the cause of the gravitation.

It is with this work that the author of this site harnessed himself
since 2000. You can note on Internet in the debates progress of this
search in the medium of the vain sarcastic remarks of orthodoxe
repeating.

The chronology of the texts shows the slow but regular projections
towards the comprehension of the photons as the single cause of the
movements of the matter, like single component of the matter, and thus
as causes single alleged gravitational "attraction".

It is necessary to read, consequently the text of 2007 on the true
equation of the gravitation hélioplanétaire.
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