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Article #16046Re: The electron seen for the first time
From: Jim Goodman
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:00
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:00
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BEA7A3.AD6C0D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit comment below Jim Goodman sawf@bellsouth.net http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/~sawf/ Energy and Structure of Molecules Vertner Vergon <vergon@rglobal.net> wrote in article <374c3094.3999646@news.rglobal.net>... > On Wed, 26 May 1999 01:47:05 GMT, "Jim Goodman" <sawf@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > >comment below. > >-- > >Jim Goodman > >sawf@bellsouth.net > >http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/~sawf/ > >Energy and Structure of Molecules > > > > > >VV: consider two spherical waves for the electron electron > >interaction going away from each other: > > > >r exp(r-vt) and r exp(r+vt) > > > >The positron electron wave functions start on the other > >side and go to zero at the center of mass when they hit. > > > Vergon: > > I'm not sure what your point is. In general I agree with both models. If your various electrons have the same mass and different KE, I like it. Also varying potential energies in pairs. I read your theory a while back and liked it. I would like it better if mass = 938Kev n^2 were different particles. At least that is what I found. To convert a positron to a proton requires about 400Kev energy added to the structure of the positron in some fashion. That the positron structure exists, I suspect. Why experiment does not find the dipole, I cannot guess. Jim Goodman > > > > > >Vertner Vergon <vergon@rglobal.net> wrote in article > ><374adf7c.3179292@news.rglobal.net>... > >> On Tue, 25 May 1999 00:54:47 GMT, Robert@ina.net (Robert Sturm) wrote: > >> > >> > Seeing an Electron > >> > Milo Wolff > >> > > >> > Technotran Press > >> > 1124 Third Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266 > >> > mwolff@beachnet.gen.ca.us > >> > > >> >I want to show you a very interesting web animation of an electron. > >> >But first let me explain something about the structure of the > >> >electron. Then when you are finished reading, observe the animation > >> >below. > >> > > >> >What is an electron? Never in history has anyone been able to even > >> >imagine the structure of an electron. Until very recently, the > >> >electron was thought to be a 'point' made of an unknown, undefineable > >> >substance called 'charge'. Since a point has no > >> >dimensions, there is no structure and nothing to see. > >> > > >> >The electron is a wave structure. Recently this structure was found > >> >(see: A Wave Structure for the Electron) to be two concentric > >> >spherical moving quantum waves. > >> >One wave moves inward and one wave moves outward. > >> > >> Vergon: > >> > >> You are right about the spherical wave structure of the electron > >> (all fermions for that matter)but you are in error that there > >> are only two waves. > >> > >> The frequncy of the electron is 1.235 x 10^20/sec. > >> > >> That means there are that many waves (matter waves) comprising the > >> electron. > >> > ------=_NextPart_000_01BEA7A3.AD6C0D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">comment below<br><br>Jim = Goodman<br><font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>sawf@bellsouth.net</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br><font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/~sawf/</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br>Energy and Structure of = Molecules<br><br><br><br>Vertner Vergon <<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>vergon@rglobal.net</u><font color=3D"#000000">> = wrote in article <<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>374c3094.3999646@news.rglobal.net</u><font = color=3D"#000000">>...<br>> On Wed, 26 May 1999 01:47:05 GMT, = "Jim Goodman" <<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>sawf@bellsouth.net</u><font = color=3D"#000000">><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>><br>> = >comment below.<br>> >-- <br>> >Jim Goodman<br>> = ><font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>sawf@bellsouth.net</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br>> ><font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/~sawf/</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br>> >Energy and Structure of Molecules<br>> = ><br>> ><br>> >VV: consider two spherical waves for the = electron electron<br>> >interaction going away from each = other:<br>> ><br>> >r exp(r-vt) and r exp(r+vt) <br>> = ><br>> >The positron electron wave functions start on the = other<br>> >side and go to zero at the center of mass when they = hit.<br>> ><br>> Vergon:<br>> <br>> I'm not sure what = your point is.<br><br>In general I agree with both models. If your = various<br>electrons have the same mass and different KE,<br>I like it. = Also varying potential energies in pairs.<br><br>I read your theory a = while back and liked it. I would<br>like it better if mass =3D 938Kev = n^2 were different particles.<br>At least that is what I found. To = convert a positron to a proton<br>requires about 400Kev energy added to = the structure of the<br>positron in some fashion. That the positron = structure exists,<br>I suspect. Why experiment does not find the dipole, = I cannot <br>guess.<br><br>Jim Goodman<br><br><br><br>> <br>> = <br>> <br>> <br>> >Vertner Vergon <<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>vergon@rglobal.net</u><font color=3D"#000000">> = wrote in article<br>> ><<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>374adf7c.3179292@news.rglobal.net</u><font = color=3D"#000000">>...<br>> >> On Tue, 25 May 1999 00:54:47 = GMT, <font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Robert@ina.net</u><font = color=3D"#000000"> (Robert Sturm) wrote:<br>> >> <br>> = >> > Seeing an Electron<br>> >> > = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; Milo Wolff<br>> = >> ><br>> >> > = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; Technotran Press<br>> >> > = &= nbsp; 1124 Third Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266<br>> = >> > = &= nbsp; <f= ont color=3D"#0000FF"><u>mwolff@beachnet.gen.ca.us</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br>> >> ><br>> >> >I want to = show you a very interesting web animation of an electron.<br>> = >> >But first let me explain something about the structure of = the<br>> >> >electron. Then when you are finished reading, = observe the animation<br>> >> >below. <br>> >> = ><br>> >> >What is an electron? Never in history = has anyone been able to even<br>> >> >imagine the structure = of an electron. Until very recently, the<br>> >> >electron = was thought to be a 'point' made of an unknown, undefineable<br>> = >> >substance called 'charge'. Since a point has no<br>> = >> >dimensions, there is no structure and nothing to see. = <br>> >> ><br>> >> >The electron is a wave = structure. Recently this structure was found<br>> >> >(see: = A Wave Structure for the Electron) to be two concentric<br>> >> = >spherical moving quantum waves.<br>> >> >One wave moves = inward and one wave moves outward.<br>> >> <br>> >> = Vergon:<br>> >> <br>> >> You are right about the = spherical wave structure of the electron<br>> >> (all fermions = for that matter)but you are in error that there <br>> >> are = only two waves.<br>> >> <br>> >> The frequncy of the = electron is 1.235 x 10^20/sec.<br>> >> <br>> >> That = means there are that many waves (matter waves) comprising the<br>> = >> electron.<br>> >> <br>> </p> </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></f= ont></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font= ></font></font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BEA7A3.AD6C0D00--
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