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Article #16101Re: ENTROPY and the Direction of Time from the BIG BANG
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:26
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:26
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On Jan 21, 1:45 pm, "rayoha...@yahoo.com.ar" <juanp...@gmail.com> wrote: > mmm... u put words and meanings that I´m not intend to. also u are > diverging with our arguments, we cannot have a constructive discussion > if it happen, cause we´re end nowhere. I don´t want to loose my time. > > i´d said ¨classical thermodynamics "is a very good theory, but it has > no sense when u try to link it with arrow time¨. It does not matter what you say or what I say. The name of both of us is just "Mr. Loser". In contrast, Ehrenfest-Afanassjewa and Uffink are by no means Mrs. and Mr. Loser so what they say is important: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/ Jos Uffink: "This summary leads to the question whether it is fruitful to see irreversibility or time-asymmetry as the essence of the second law. Is it not more straightforward, in view of the unargued statements of Kelvin, the bold claims of Clausius and the strained attempts of Planck, to give up this idea? I believe that Ehrenfest- Afanassjewa was right in her verdict that the discussion about the arrow of time as expressed in the second law of the thermodynamics is actually a RED HERRING." The problems are: why does Sir Arthur Eddington contradict Ehrenfest- Afanassjewa and Uffink, why don't you care, why does nobody else care: http://web.mit.edu/keenansymposium/overview/background/index.html The law that entropy always increases, holds, I think, the supreme position among the laws of Nature. If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations--then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation--well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation. Sir Arthur Eddington (The Nature of the Physical World, 1915) Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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