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Article #16128Re: Why absurd theories are formed by Physics
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 06:04
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 06:04
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On May 3, 5:54 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in sci.physics: > As I said earlier, the SM and GR are the GENERALLY ACCEPTED fundamental > theories of physics. The theories you mention are not in the same > league, as far as acceptance in the community goes. > > You may ask: so why haven't I studied those theories? The > answer is simple: I am extremely time limited, and must > choose carefully where to spend my time. Your behavior > around here is closer to that of Androcles than of the few > real physicists who participate; why should I think you have > anything valid or useful to say when you act like a crackpot? > Remember that science is a SOCIAL process.... > More importantly, GR and gravitation are no longer my major > research interest. > > Tom Roberts I think Einsteinians should replace "Yes we all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity" and "Divine Einstein" with "Sometimes I feel like a motherless child". Master Tom Roberts has obviously taken notice of what Master John Norton, the cleverest Einsteinian, is persistently hinting at nowadays: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026831.500-what-makes-the-universe-tick.html "General relativity knits together space, time and gravity. Confounding all common sense, how time passes in Einstein's universe depends on what you are doing and where you are. Clocks run faster when the pull of gravity is weaker, so if you live up a skyscraper you age ever so slightly faster than you would if you lived on the ground floor, where Earth's gravitational tug is stronger. "General relativity completely changed our understanding of time," says Carlo Rovelli, a theoretical physicist at the University of the Mediterranean in Marseille, France.....It is still not clear who is right, says John Norton, a philosopher based at the University of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Norton is hesitant to express it, but his instinct - and the consensus in physics - seems to be that space and time exist on their own. The trouble with this idea, though, is that it doesn't sit well with relativity, which describes space-time as a malleable fabric whose geometry can be changed by the gravity of stars, planets and matter." Master John Baez, Former Teacher Number One of all Einsteinians all over the world, left the sinking ship a year ago: http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_5.html John Baez: "On the one hand we have the Standard Model, which tries to explain all the forces except gravity, and takes quantum mechanics into account. On the other hand we have General Relativity, which tries to explain gravity, and does not take quantum mechanics into account. Both theories seem to be more or less on the right track — but until we somehow fit them together, or completely discard one or both, our picture of the world will be deeply schizophrenic.....I realized I didn't have enough confidence in either theory to engage in these heated debates. I also realized that there were other questions to work on: questions where I could actually tell when I was on the right track, questions where researchers cooperate more and fight less. So, I eventually decided to quit working on quantum gravity." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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