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Article #16189Re: Why does light bend under gravity?
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:55
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:55
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On Mar 16, 7:14 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > The Speaking Clock wrote: > > On 15 Mar, 08:57, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> [... his usual nonsense] > > > Would the speed of light be a non wiggly constant at the very edge of > > the universe - bending around it? > > The speed of light is a constant, c, for any LOCAL measurement anywhere > in the universe. I guess that includes "non wiggly". It also includes > essentially all measurements of light speed here on earth. At least that > is what GR predicts, and there are no observations that contradict it. > > [Ignore Valev when he brings up Pound-Rebka and similar > experiments -- they do not measure speed.] They do Roberts Roberts. Directly, Pound and Rebka have measured the frequency and have obtained: f'= f(1 + V/c^2) Now Roberts Roberts you can apply the textbook formula: frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength) and so you understand that, indirectly, Pound and Rebka have measured the speed of light and have confirmed Einstein's 1911 equation: c'= c(1 + V/c^2) Some of your brothers have already understood that Roberts Roberts: http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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