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Article #16210Re: Pound Rebka
From: Max Keon
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:03
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:03
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"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@hiadeletethis.no> wrote in message news:47BC2905.9080708@hiadeletethis.no... > Max Keon wrote: >> Paul B. Andersen wrote: >>> Please read the following carefully. >>> We have a tower. >>> If em-radiation is emitted from one end of the tower, and received at >>> the other end, all frequencies must change by the exactly the same factor. >>> That means that if the em-radiation is gamma, the frequency shift >>> delta_f/f must be the same as when the em-radiation is RF. >>> If the em-radiation is a series of pulses (or flashes), >>> the repetition frequency of these flashes must also change by >>> the same delta_f/f as above. >>> Now, imagine that we have a clock at each end of the tower, >>> emitting one flash per second (let the clocks be Cs clocks, >>> emitting one flash per SI-second). >>> If the em-radiation going up is shifted to lower frequencies, >>> then the observer on the top will count fewer flashes from >>> clock at the bottom, than from his own clock. While he >>> is counting N pulses from his own clock, he will have counted >>> only N-n pulses from the bottom clock. This process is cumulative, >>> so he will see that the bottom clock is lagging more and more >>> behind his own clock. The bottom clock is running slower than >>> the top clock. > [..] >> Firstly, you state that the process is cumulative, which suggest >> to me that the frequency transmitted from a low altitude clock >> to a more elevated clock was actually higher than is observed >> when it arrives there. Meaning that more ticks have been >> transmitted than are actually received. It's not possible for >> that to continue on indefinitely unless the space between the >> two clocks is expanding. Even if the big bang theory allowed for >> local expansion, it would be 1/44 of that required to store the >> missing cycles. > You seem to have a serious reading comprehension problem. > > The receiver doesn't work. > Communication impossible. You clearly stated that the em-radiation going up is shifted to lower frequency. But it's only the clock rate stationed with the observer at the top that is blueshifted. There is no "photon frequency" change at all. I've updated the web page at http://members.optusnet.com.au/maxkeon/redshft2.html Your error should become apparent to you. ----- Max Keon
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