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Article #16262Re: Pound Rebka
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30
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On Feb 12, 5:05 pm, "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.ander...@hiadeletethis.no> wrote: > Dr. Henri Wilson wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:53:42 +0100, "Paul B. Andersen" > > <paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote: > > >> Max Keon skrev: > >>> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>news:cf7fd5a6-005e-4d73-aef9-ba788194923d@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > >> How did you arrive at this remarkable conclusion? > >> It is wrong. > > >> f_h/f_o = (1-(GM/r)/c^2)/(1-(GM/R)/c^2)~= 1-(GM/r)/c^2 + (GM/R)/c^2 > >> where: > >> f_h = frequency of gamma photon at the top of the tower > >> f_o = frequency of gamma photon at the bottom of the tower > >> r = the distance centre of the Earth - top of tower > >> R = radius of the Earth (at the bottom of the tower) > > >> r = R + h, h = height of tower > >> f_h/f_o ~= (1 + ((GM/R)/c^2)(1 - R/(R+h)) > >> When h/R << 1 : > >> R/(R+h) ~= (1-h/R) > > >> f_h/f_o ~= 1 + ((GM/R)/c^2)(h/R) > >> g = GM/R^2 > > >> f_h/f_o ~= 1 + gh/c^2 > > >> Which is in accordance with the Pound & Rebka experiment. > > > ...which is exactly in acordance with BaTh. > > > PE (per unit mass) at top = gh. > > Increase in KE as light falls = [1/2(c+v)^2]-[1/2c^2] = ~ cv > > > So: v = gh/c > > > f1/f_0 = (c+v)/c = [c + (gh/c)]/c = 1 + gh/c^2 > > > Strange, eh?...and much, much simpler than Einstein's nonsensical method of > > inserting a gradient into space in order to maintain a constant light speed. > > No it isn't strange at all, quite the contrary. > Of course the kinetic energy must increase by the difference > in gravitational potential whether you use GR or NM. > So if you assume that a photon has a (unspecified) mass, and that > the kinetic energy is the Newtonian one, then this is the obvious > answer. > In the Pound & Rebka experiment gamma rays are used. > They are very "particle like", and we have no continuous wave. > Sure the Pound & Rebka can be explained by "falling light". > (If you insist that the Mossbauer effect only detect the photons > going exactly at c.) > > But other experiments are made. Hard times Andersen Andersen aren't they. Master John Baez even calls them "schizophrenic". Leave immediately the sinking ship Andersen Andersen just as Master John Baez did! Tomorrow will be too late: http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_5.html Master John Baez: "One of the big problems in physics -- perhaps the biggest! -- is figuring out how our two current best theories fit together. On the one hand we have the Standard Model, which tries to explain all the forces except gravity, and takes quantum mechanics into account. On the other hand we have General Relativity, which tries to explain gravity, and does not take quantum mechanics into account. Both theories seem to be more or less on the right track -- but until we somehow fit them together, or completely discard one or both, our picture of the world will be deeply schizophrenic......So, I eventually decided to quit working on quantum gravity." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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X-Google-Thread: 10b271,b6602ccd7db217eb X-Google-Thread: 10f545,b6602ccd7db217eb X-Google-Thread: 106b5d,b6602ccd7db217eb X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,78e626584bab1101 X-Google-Thread: f74ae,78e626584bab1101 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid10f545,gid106b5d,gidfa4c1,gidf74ae,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.org.mensa, fr.sci.physique, sci.astro Subject: Re: Pound Rebka Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:30:00 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 76 Message-ID: <47269293-9bd2-466a-800f-bce638edd160@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> References: <479e9523$0$18606$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <f89fc8fb-b6e8-4b2d-9b1e-7a3252a75e23@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> <47a25694$0$17825$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <d814f181-db22-409c-8df7-208e9d5ddbab@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <47a6e19e$0$17825$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <cf7fd5a6-005e-4d73-aef9-ba788194923d@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <47ac4cc6$0$25819$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47B0B5D6.5080404@guesswhatuia.no> <9ee1r3dtvkamtfgsd66db6hadbap24aucv@4ax.com> <47B1B5A5.9090601@hiadeletethis.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.91.141.166 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1202830201 31183 127.0.0.1 (12 Feb 2008 15:30:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.91.141.166; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)