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Article #16364Re: Pound Rebka
From: Eric Gisse
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:45
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:45
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On Jan 4, 2:36 am, "Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Pentcho Valev wrote: > > Pentcho Valev wrote: > >> BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>> Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity. > >>> Light is redshifted on its way out. > > >> Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly: > > >>http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a > >> long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in > >> 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a > >> previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the > >> speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational > >> field.... Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second > >> place our result shows that, according to the general theory of > >> relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in > >> vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the > >> special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently > >> referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of > >> light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light > >> varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special > >> Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called > >> mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that > >> the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat > >> surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the > >> Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der > >> Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the > >> gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light > >> in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for > >> the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. > >> One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2) > >> where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the > >> measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL > >> REDSHIFT FACTOR." > > Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT > > obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent with Einstein's > > 1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook formula > > > frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength) > > This is the blurb given in "Basic Physics 2 by S.L.Martin and > A.K.Connor", (1960+ vintage), briefly describing the purpose of > the Pound and Rebka experiment. > "In 1958 an effect was discovered by Mossbauer, working in U.S.A > and known as the Mossbauer effect, which enabled very tiny > frequency differences to be detected and measured. In 1960, using > the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded in measuring the > extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14) of frequency > of the y-rays emitted by a sample of radioactive iron when it > was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower 74 > feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the > relativity prediction within 5%." > > According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2) > V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is: > G = 6.67E-11 > M = 5.97E+24 > ra = 6378000 Tower base radii > rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high) > Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118 > Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427 Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force. [snip remaining]
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