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Re: Pound Rebka

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From: Eric Gisse
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:45
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On Jan 4, 2:36 am, "Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Pentcho Valev wrote:
> > Pentcho Valev wrote:
> >> BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity.
> >>> Light is redshifted on its way out.
>
> >> Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly:
>
> >>http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a
> >> long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
> >> 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
> >> previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
> >> speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
> >> field.... Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
> >> place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
> >> relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
> >> vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
> >> special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
> >> referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
> >> light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
> >> varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
> >> Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
> >> mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
> >> the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
> >> surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
> >> Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
> >> Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
> >> gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
> >> in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
> >> the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
> >> One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2)
> >> where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
> >> measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
> >> REDSHIFT FACTOR."
> > Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
> > obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent with Einstein's
> > 1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook formula
>
> > frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
>
> This is the blurb given in "Basic Physics 2 by S.L.Martin and
> A.K.Connor", (1960+ vintage), briefly describing the purpose of
> the Pound and Rebka experiment.
> "In 1958 an effect was discovered by Mossbauer, working in U.S.A
> and known as the Mossbauer effect, which enabled very tiny
> frequency differences to be detected and measured. In 1960, using
> the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded in measuring the
> extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14) of frequency
> of the y-rays emitted by a sample of radioactive iron when it
> was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower 74
> feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the
> relativity prediction within 5%."
>
> According to your equation  f'= f(1+V/c^2)
>   V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
>   G = 6.67E-11
>   M = 5.97E+24
>   ra = 6378000   Tower base radii
>   rb = 6378023   Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
>   Va = G * M / ra ^ 2  = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118
>   Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2  = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427

Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force.

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