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On 11 Aug, 09:24, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 10:14 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Bravo Roberts bravo Tom bravo Albert Einstein of our generation
> > (Hawking is no longer the Albert Einstein of our generation etc.).>From now on your zombies will know everything about Einstein's 1911
>
> > formula
>
> > c' = c * (1 + phi / c^2)
>
> > and what is even more important Roberts Roberts, your explanation is
> > so clear and unambiguous that even other hypnotists' zombies will be
> > able to learn something from it (you used to say Einstein's formula
> > was wrong but now you do not wish to be so rude). Yet there is a small
> > detail you forgot to explain clearly and unambiguously: there is an
> > equivalent formula proved experimentally by Pound and Rebka and
> > showing how the frequency varies with the gravitational potential:
>
> > f' = f * (1 + phi / c^2)
>
> > I say the two formulas are "equivalent" because they are related by
> > the textbook equation
>
> > frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
>
> > So Roberts Roberts the danger is not over: unless you offer more clear
> > and unambiguous explanations, even your zombies will find that the two
> > formulas are JUST TRUE, confirmed by experiment, and will also find,
> > by applying Einstein's equivalence principle, that
>
> > c' = c * (1 + phi / c^2)
>
> > is equivalent to
>
> > c' = c + v
>
> > where c is the initial speed of photons relative to the light source
> > and v is the relative speed of the light source and the observer, in
> > the absence of a gravitational field.
>
> Really? Explain how phi = 0 equates to c' = c+v.
>
> Then once your finished explaining that, explain why anyone should
> care about Einstein's defunct attempt at gravitation.
>
> http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm

Gisse Gisse your statement:

"Explain how phi = 0 equates to c' = c+v"

is EXTREMELY silly. Never do so again! One more statement of this kind
and you will never become Master Tom Roberts' PhD student. Master Tom
Roberts loves silly zombies but not SO silly.

Consider:

http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4

Note that

phi = gh = cv.

Substitute this in Einstein's 1911 equation

c' = c * (1 + phi / c^2)

and you obtain

c'=c+v.

Pentcho Valev