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See how the  Chinese never get their credit.
You're falling for European most like us bias
Everything you meantion has prior references
elsewhere.

"SDR" <rodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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> >>> It is much more accurate to say that the Muslims STOLE
> >>> the scientific databases of the peoples they conquered
> >>> (since they originally were in reality, mostly illiterate
> >>> Arab nomads)
> >>
> >>  TYPICAL HINDU LIES.
>
> Apparently you believe that simply because I cite the horrors
> that Arabs/Muslims visited upon the Hindus (and Islam's genocides
> and theft of the treasures of Hindu civilization) that therefore
> I must be Hindu! This is most amusing, as it betrays you as a
> person who could not imagine someone moral/ethical enough to
> denounce crimes committed against someone other than himself!
> [Don't fret, yours is a very common flaw in many human beings.]
>
> No: I am not Hindu. It's simply that the Islamic genocide of
> Hindus is without question the worst crime against humanity on
> record, that's all. Please keep this in mind in the future.
>
> In any case, to remedy my unbalanced approach, and to help
> satisfy your thirst for a more comprehensive historical view,
> here's the reprint of a letter sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of
> Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech given by
> her on September 26, 2001 which you can find at this url:
>
> www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.htm
>
> S D Rodrian
> poems.sdrodrian.com
> physics.sdrodrian.com
>
>                What Arab Civilization?
>
> November 7, 2001
> Carly Fiorina
> Hewlett-Packard
> 3000 Hanover Street
> Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185
>
> Dear Madame Fiorina:
>
> It is with great interest that I read your
> speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled
> "Technology, Business and Our way of Life:
> What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly
> interested in the story you told at the end of
> your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization.
>
> As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of
> the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to
> 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you
> made in this little story, and to alert you to
> the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the
> Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to
> assimilate all cultures and religions into the
> Arab/Islamic fold.
>
> I know you are a very busy woman, but please
> find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is
> a perspective that you will not likely get from
> anywhere else. I will answer some of the
> specific points you made in your speech, then
> conclude with a brief perspective on this
> Arabist/Islamist ideology.
>
> Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in
> 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began
> their conquest of the Middle East. We should be
> very clear that this was a military conquest,
> not a missionary enterprise, and through the use
> of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad
> against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to
> forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and
> non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous
> communities of the Middle East survived this --
> primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics
> (of Egypt).
>
> Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed
> these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book
> Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance,
> where the communities were allowed to rule
> themselves as religious minorities (Christians,
> Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to
> pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was,
> in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and
> that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and
> up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax
> forced many of these communities to convert to
> Islam, as it was designed to do.
>
> You state, "its architects designed buildings
> that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are
> referring to, but if you are referring to domes
> and arches, the fundamental architectural
> breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead
> of a spherical shape for these structures was
> made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years
> earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological
> record.
>
> You state, "its mathematicians created the
> algebra and algorithms that would enable the
> building of computers, and the creation of
> encryption." The fundamental basis of modern
> mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but
> thousands of years before by Assyrians and
> Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of
> zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many,
> many other developments expropriated by
> Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian
> Mathematics, Neugebauer).
>
> You state, "its doctors examined the human body,
> and found new cures for disease." The
> overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%)
> were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth
> centuries Assyrians began a systematic
> translation of the Greek body of knowledge into
> Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the
> religious works but then quickly moved to
> science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates,
> Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were
> translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into
> Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which
> the Moors brought with them into Spain, and
> which the Spaniards translated into Latin and
> spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the
> European Renaissance.
>
> By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun
> exporting back to Byzantia their own works on
> science, philosophy and medicine. In the field
> of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family
> produced nine generations of physicians, and
> founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur
> (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the
> Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on
> ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the
> authoritative source on the subject until 1800
> A.D.
>
> In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian
> philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical
> theory of the universe, in the Assyrian
> language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and
> that sought to replace matter with forces (a
> theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum
> mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and
> destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum
> vacuum).
>
> One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the
> fourth century was the founding of the first
> university in the world, the School of Nisibis,
> which had three departments, theology,
> philosophy and medicine, and which became a
> magnet and center of intellectual development in
> the Middle East. The statutes of the School of
> Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became
> the model upon which the first Italian
> university was based (see The Statutes of the
> School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).
>
> When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle
> East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of
> Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich
> heritage, a highly developed culture, and
> advanced learning institutions. It is this
> civilization that became the foundation of the
> Arab civilization.
>
> You state, "Its astronomers looked into the
> heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for
> space travel and exploration." This is a bit
> melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer
> to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians
> (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia
> were known as astronomers and astrologers, and
> who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so
> rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared
> completely.
>
> You state, "its writers created thousands of
> stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic.
> Its poets wrote of love, when others before them
> were too steeped in fear to think of such
> things." There is very little literature in the
> Arabic language that comes from this period you
> are referring to (the Koran is the only
> significant piece of literature), whereas the
> literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was
> vast. The third largest corpus of Christian
> writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the
> Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called
> Syriac); see:
>
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14408a.htm
>
> You state, "when other nations were afraid of
> ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and
> kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe
> out knowledge from past civilizations, this
> civilization kept the knowledge alive, and
> passed it on to others." This is a very
> important issue you raise, and it goes to the
> heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic
> civilization represents. I reviewed a book
>
> http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/greek.htm
>
> titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in
> which the author lists the significant
> translators and interpreters of Greek science.
> Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1
> was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of
> my review: "The salient conclusion which can be
> drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians
> played a significant role in the shaping of the
> Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge.
> If this is so, one must then ask the question,
> what happened to the Christian communities which
> made them lose this great intellectual
> enterprise which they had established. One can
> ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly,
> O'Leary's book does not answer this question,
> and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I
> did not answer this question I posed in the
> review because it was not the place to answer
> it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian
> Assyrian community was drained of its population
> through forced conversion to Islam (by the
> Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled
> below a critical threshold, it ceased producing
> the scholars that were the intellectual driving
> force of the Islamic civilization, and that is
> when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to
> an end (about 850 A.D.).
>
> Islam the religion itself was significantly
> molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian
> Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of
> the Islamic World).
>
> Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive
> force, it is a regressive force; it does not
> give impetus, it retards. The great civilization
> you describe was not an Arab/Muslim
> accomplishment, it was an Assyrian
> accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and
> subsequently lost when they drained, through the
> forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the
> source of the intellectual vitality that
> propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim
> civilization has risen since? What other
> Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?
>
> You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson
> from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership
> based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was
> leadership that harnessed the full capabilities
> of a very diverse population that included
> Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions."
>
> In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive
> to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian
> boys were forcefully taken from their families,
> usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into
> the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where
> they were Islamized and made to fight for the
> Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or
> scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we
> point to? We can, on the other hand, point to
> the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million
> Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by
> the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is
> the true face of Islam.
>
> Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit
> campaign of destruction and expropriation of
> cultures and communities, identities and ideas.
> Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a
> non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it
> (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were
> destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the
> Ayotollah Khomenie). This is a pattern that has
> been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400
> years ago, and is amply substantiated by the
> historical record. If the "foreign" culture
> cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated,
> and revisionist historians claim that it is and
> was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab
> "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For
> example, Arab history texts in the Middle East
> teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no
> reputable scholar would assert, and that no
> living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first
> settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian
> cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before
> Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab'
> is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the
> first written reference to Arabs was by the
> Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he
> tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" --
> Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by
> H. W. F. Saggs).
>
> Even in America this Arabization policy
>
> http://aina.org/releases/2001/arabization.htm
>
> continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven
> Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an
> official letter
>
> http://www.aina.org/releases/2001/caamletter.htm
>
> to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop
> identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs,
> which it had been deliberately doing.
>
> There are minorities and nations struggling for
> survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle
> East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics,
> Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians,
> Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not
> to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic
> fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their
> attempts to wipe out all other cultures,
> religions and civilizations. It is incumbent
> upon each one of us to do our homework and
> research when making statements and speeches
> about these sensitive matters.
>
> I hope you found this information enlightening.
> For more information, refer to the web links
> below. You may contact me at
> keepa@ninevehsoft.com for further questions.
>
> Thank you for your consideration.
>
> Peter BetBasoo
>
> Web resources:
>
> Brief History of Assyrians:
> http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm
>
> Assyrian International News Agency:
> http://www.aina.org/
>
> Assyrian American National Federation:
> http://www.aanf.org/
>
> Assyrian Academic Society:
> http://www.aas.net/
>
> Zinda Magazine:
> http://www.zindamagazine.com/
>
> Beth Suryoyo:
> http://www.bethsuryoyo.com/
>
> Nineveh Online:
> http://www.nineveh.com/
>
> World Maronite Union:
> http://www.maroniteunion.org/
>
> Maronite Research Council:
> http://plaza.powersurfr.com/maronites
>
> World Lebanese Organization:
> http://www.wlo-usa.org/
>
> Coptic Web:
> http://www.copticmail.com/
>
> thanks: Peter BetBasoo (keepa@ninevehsoft.com)