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That was put forth so eloquently.  Mispelled words and all.

What caught my notice, though, was the reference to the Holocaust and guilt,
etc.  I can understand a people's resentment to attempts at their
extermination, and the advantages to using such to advantage.  I'm sure the
Philistines and others would do the same if they were still around to
enlighten the world.  Great example of using leverage.

Here is another great example of using leverage to ones advantage.

All surviving Western religions are derived from the very same event.  A
goat herder came in from the desert one day and said God talked to him, and
chose him and his heirs to be masters of the earth.  So this goat herder,
with his uncommonly beautiful wife, headed for the largest kingdom around.
When he gets there, he tells his wife "Tell them you are my sister.".  So
she did, and because of her looks, she gets a job in the big honchos' harem.
Understand this guy had his pick of millions.

After a period of time, the goat herder comes knocking on the Pharoah's
door, acting all hurt that Pharoah was screwing his old lady.  Pharoah
expressed surprise, and exclaimed that he didn't know, and why didn't he(the
goat herder) apprise his(Pharoah's) employment agent of such.  To which the
herder replied that he thought he would be killed.  To this Pharoah replied
that was BS, no such thing would have happened, now he understood where the
diseases came from, and take this money and get the hell out of my country.
Perhaps giving wealth was cheaper than killing, or Pharoah appreciated a
good snookering.

So this herder, with his new found and very substantial wealth, packs up and
leaves for the next kingdom.  With his wife.

Thinking hard at how well that worked out, when they arrived at the border
of the next kingdom he turned around to his old lady and said "Tell them you
are my sister".

The rest is history.

Dave Nelson





"S D Rodrian" <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:bf7b874e.0205071122.7600c280@posting.google.com...
> "saurus" <saurus@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:<8YPB8.5322$b5.17732@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
> > Sorry for asking,
>
> No need for apologies: If you do not ask
> I will not be able to enhance your ignorance.
>
> > but what relevance has physics.sdrodrian.com with your
> > post?
>
> 1) physics.sdrodrian.com = my web site
> 2) post authored by me = my post
>
> 1 + 2 = 4  (Okay, I was never good at math
>                but please note term "my" above)
>
> > I am surprised as physics is a real science.
>
> Somebody pulling your leg (off: look around the room
> for it... while you're searching for the comma you ate):
>
> Modern physics is BOTH science and delusion...
> honesty and trickery... technology & sleigh-of-hand:
>
> Many people who think they're scientists speculate
> away "their entire lives the whole day long" on what
> physical attributes "time" might yield (when "time" only
> has existence inside the human head and not physic-ally):
>
> The universe is composed of any number of (very, very
> loosely) related individual "motions" and over the years
> humans have gotten into the habit of "timing" one "motion"
> against  "another motion" ... and "another motion" ... and
> "another motion" (just to complicate matters and drive
> each other crazy). But you can see that what significance
> the differences in velocities between a couple of "motions"
> here & there across the universe might have to the whole
> universe... is rather of insignificant significance at best!
>
> And yet there are entire physics departments even now
> rather unpenuriously engaged in coaxing the effects that
> "time" may have on "space" (which is not the mere absence
> of matter, mind you)... coaxing them out of sacred numbers
> with all the straight-faced earnestness with which the ancient
> Egyptian priesthood once tried to do exactly the same thing
> and for exactly the same purpose (namely, so they wouldn't
> have to do any "real" work in this world, God bless them).
>
> Some of them are actually trying to "figure" out techniques
> for testing the pros/cons of "time-travel" when I have time
> and time again explained to them that in a universe NOT of
> "time" but of "motions" (that's "changes" by any other name):
> the Past, the Present, and the Future are all Right Here Now
> (all they are is different "con-figure-ations"). [Even the entire
> lifetime of a hydrogen atom is ONE motion, recognized as
> such by this definition. And "The Past" is no more than one
> shape of the Tinkertoy bones... which, had we the memory,
> tools, and dexterity... anybody could reproduce at any time
> ... and thereby "travel back" TO whatever time "be wished."]
>
> But, no: The Great Apes of the modern physics establishment
> yet insist on speculating over exactly how to travel back IN
> time... in spite of the fact that all they really need to do is to
> ask Superman to fly around the earth against its rotation and
> BANG! fetch them a dinosaur or some other pet from the past!
>
> "Yes," they tell me: "But Superman isn't real, is he, old boy."
> ... all the time by poor head goes into a spin of double-takes:
>
> "And TIME is?" I ask, dumbfounded... and quite dizzy.
>
> "Of course, old boy," they insist: "All we have to do is bend
> space and we'll be zipping back/forth through Time in no
> time at all, you know! Simplest thing in the world."
>
> "Just a matter of taking hold of space and bending it, eh?"
> Say I.
>
> "Now you're hit the hammer right on the nail, old boy!"
> Say they.
>
> "Say," I say: "Exactly how much are you guys pulling down
> on this job?"
>
> "We'd really hate to tell you. Let's just 'say' that the pile of
> lettuce is... bigger than a bread box. And leave it at that."
>
> >One can not denay law of action
> > and reaction.
>
> One can denay anything one wants two.
> (Ooooops, I misspelled a word there.)
> As long as one is willing/able to pay the fine.
>
> > I am not sure you do.
>
> Yes. I am sure I do 2.
>
> > Regards
>
> Funny you should say that.
> (I find humor where I find it.)
>
> S D Rodrian
> poems.sdrodrian.com
> physics.sdrodrian.com
>
> re:
>
> > "S D Rodrian" <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> > news:bf7b874e.0205062153.23435c65@posting.google.com...
> > > "John Anderson" <arar@iname.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<ab6606$d46$00$1@news.t-online.com>...
> > > > S D Rodrian <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:bf7b874e.0205051806.17ca84a4@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > > > > Truthfully, I do not know for a fact whether it is
> > > > > the Americans or the Europeans who are better informed.
> > > > > But I do know (for a fact) that the Holocaust WAS
> > > > > an European and not an American phenomenon. Make of that
> > > > > what you will.
> > > >
> > > > As I was still unborn when the Holocaust occurred,
> > > > I can make very little of
> > > > that.
> > >
> > > Incredible how every firstgrader on the planet
> > > shares the identical excuse for their Fs in history!
> > > (Upon reaching the second grade they usually
> > > switch to: "Who killed Lincoln?" ... "I have an alibi."
> > > Say, exactly how young are you? Oh, well... since
> > > you may be too young to have a library card, here
> > > are just a couple of URLs which might bring a tiny
> > > sparkle of enlightenment into your dark little mind:
> > >
> > > http://www.holocaust-trc.org/samuels.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/?010312onar_on-line_gross
> > >
> > > > In addition I come from a country that was later specifically
> > > > commended by the government of Israel for its impeccable WW II
policy
> > > > regarding the Jews.
> > >
> > > Well, since the Israelis recently commended GERMANY
> > > for facing up to its citizens' role in the Holocaust... I am
> > > not surprised they might've also praised many other countries
> > > ... Peru?... Uganda?... Argentina--?...
> > >
> > > > The Holocaust was a Nazi German-Austrian, not a European
> > > > phenomenon.
> > >
> > > Millions of Polish Jews who are not here today
> > > might disagree with you (most of them turned over
> > > to the SS by Poles). This is also true in "most, most
> > > liberal" France. And in Italy, most of all in Austria, no
> > > less than in most of the low countries, and to some
> > > extent up in your neck of the northern archipelago,
> > > horrifically so in the EUROPEAN parts of the former
> > > Soviet Union... where many locals actually joined
> > > the SS in hunting down Jews--To this day many
> > > commentators remain puzzled over what could have
> > > kept Spain's Franco from participating/cooperating
> > > in the European Holocaust. Frankly, I really don't know
> > > which toilet you've managed to have lived your whole
> > > life up to now with your head plunged into it, but... do
> > > try to pluck it out of there: It's never too late, you know.
> > >
> > > > At least we Scandinavians repudiate all guilt.
> > >
> > > You are in good company, trust me: Most former
> > > SS and Nazi-sympathizing Europeans found, to their
> > > dying day, that there really was nothing to be ashamed
> > > about... over their roles in the European Holocaust
> > > --which apparently was all carried out by a single person:
> > > der Fuhrer personally, and apparently with no help from
> > > even G�ring (... well, perhaps Himmler drove the get-
> > > away car).
> > >
> > >  [The story(ies) of Europeans who risked their lives
> > >   to save handfuls of Jews here and there (very few of
> > >   them in Germany/Austria, I'm sorry to say because I
> > >   have some German ancestors)... stand out primarily
> > >   for their uniqueness, their utter, utter rarity. ]
> > >
> > > Rather, mull this thoroughly: "All that is required for
> > > Evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." This is,
> > > or well damn ought to be, the best (and probably the
> > > ONLY) argument really needed to fully explain the
> > > 20th Century European Holocaust of Jews and others.
> > >
> > > > And although I'm
> > > > no particular friend of the Teutons, I think it's about time to stop
> > > > accusing post-war Germans of a crime that a very small fraction of
their
> > > > grandfathers' generation actually committed.
> > >
> > > "Those who forget the lessons of history
> > > are condemned to repeat them." --George Santayana
> > >
> > > > Of course the Holocaust must
> > > > *not* be forgotten, but stop blaming a whole continent's present
> >  population
> > > > for it!
> > >
> > > It's always a nifty quip, yours. However, the sad truth is that
> > > it's usually applied to those of us who raise the occasional
> > > protest to... those who criminally claim that the Holocaust
> > > was "just some little incident perpetrated by a couple of
> > > bad boys--over there" (even as you yourself have now done
> > > in this very post) or that it never really happened at all... even
> > > when it occurred in a "modern" era when documentation was,
> > > in historical terms as well as any other terms one would care
> > > to frame this: staggering (and that's putting it mildly).
> > >
> > > S D Rodrian
> > > poems.sdrodrian.com
> > > physics.sdrodrian.com
> > >
> > > > J A'son
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I skipped the original subject line due to its lack of meaning
and
> > > > relevance ('Finally Israel is going to kill the Palestinian
Authority')
> > >
> > > Meaning: The murdering Palestinian Authority, which
> > > like all unrepentant murders ought to be killed.
> > >
> > > Relevance: I believe that's what we were talking about.
>
> ***