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Article #16948Re: A model of Reality
From: fbonsignore
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:02
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:02
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fbonsignore@beethoven.com wrote:
[Interestingly, nature description rules need not be _identical_ to the
actual "reality" or "implementation" of nature's laws! Our science is
customary and reality can only be completely understood by building a
model which in the limit is Reality itself! As a consequence our
science can only go forward so much, before Science turns into
Engineering and then Art as the only way to express Reality in its
Ultimate Consequences. Art is then the goal of Nature, which points to
what we call the Creator...]
[Of course, there is always the possibility of finding the ultimate
law, the fundamental equation typical of science fiction {Night of
Times, Rene Barjavel}, but in any case it would amount to an
_intensive_ formulation, not an extensive formulation; in other words,
it would be The Beginning from which a new Universe would arise should
it be put to "work", since the whole includes already what has past: it
is a sum of the states which have occurred.]
Now, the importance of the previous analogy, though incomplete, is that
in the case of simple bouncing balls, the information that is pertinent
is that which occurs at *the boundary*. The simulation needs not take
into account more than the "border" of the definition of the object in
interaction with the border of the next object; all intermediate points
are implied, hidden behind this interactions and maintain their mutual
relations between themselves and those points of the border. The
"inner" information can be fixed and only change at the boundary, where
interaction occurs. This is what we mean by the solidity of matter or
mass of objects: this web of interrelations between parts which don't
cahnge when interacting with other objects with mass. Note that this
inner set of substance is equivalent to a stable mean field in
equilibrium: even if internally all is flux, the *mean*, the average
won't change inrealtion to the parts. So a multitude of phenomena can
occur witin the object without it losing its "solidity" or oneness.
Mind that from an informational point of view, it is at the boundary
(similar to the marginalism of economics) where information is
transmitted. It means a multitude, probably infinite, of local mean
fields in disruption, where multuple matter transactions can happen at
the fundamental level, but acquiring a stable value after the
interaction. This local mean fields will acuiqre a, lets call it,
average value higher than that of the original objects, but only
"during" the interaction. As long as both objects remain the same,
(they don't break), the original mean fields will stabilize to their
previous values, but this higher value during the interaction, this
disorder, will be propagated either to those objects or to the non
involved medium; it is propagated as "temporarily" higher mean value of
fields, which simultaneously and interdependently aquire "new" values,
the differences being "noticed" (to use some term) at some point in the
whole system (Reality) as heat. So heat can be seen in its usual
significance as disorder, but in an all-infomational context it will be
completely equivalent to the concept of entropy or noise as defined in
information theory.
Notice that time is already implied here in dependence to force. The
oneness of the objects will be conserved depending on the simultaneous
and then sequencial setting on recursive mean fields among multitudes
of fundamental particules (under the notion of infomation or mere
numeric value); these mean fields would be solved simultaneously at the
level of object, molecule, atom... fundamental particle, which in
essence means that information will be propagated accordingly to each
level, withot disrupting "nature" of the object unless the propagation
of information is of such nature that information is lost at some point
between these mean fields, that is, the velocity (in this case the
difference between values) of change is such that the intermediate mean
fields can no longher recover their previous values. This differences
will be propagated throughout the structure of the object along all
previous values (which may be in different dynamics among themselves)
up to the point where the difference between new and previous values
can actually stabilize within the limits of what can be considered a
unique, stable, avergaed mean value. The objects in colision will break
if the informational change at the boundary cannot be propagated with
enough velocity (big difference between pervious and future mean
fields) throughout the object, introducing enough disorder internally
as to make the once single, averaged field, (object) aquire enough
internal difference in values as to make two (or more) new
object-global fields with the same value. SO force can be seen as
rapidity of information change at the boundary and its effect noticed
as propagation of mean values along the internal coherent structure of
objects. Notice that for small forces the effect will stabilize "near"
the border, while for bigger forces the propagation of values won't
stabilize til it affects the whole structure of the object, in the
extreme being so disruptive that the once dynamically stable mean field
is disrupted an converted into a set of...
Fabrizio J BOnsignore now Danilo J BOnsignore
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