Article View: sci.physics
Article #16958Re: A solution to the war against drugs
From: pinnush
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:52
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:52
93 lines
6352 bytes
6352 bytes
Sounds like a socialist nightmare to me, why not just decriminalise all drugs and let the people be free? fbonsignore@beethoven.com (Fabrizio J. Bonsignore) wrote in message news:<768f7623.0410310316.2ad822bf@posting.google.com>... > The war against drugs is lost. Any eternal war is lost. And there is > no way to win this war. Why? Because you *CANNOT* prove you are not a > drug addict. You *CAN* prove if you are an alcoholic or not, simply by > taking a drink and then refraining, with a bottle in front of you. But > how do you prove that you are not a dryag addict? By taking drugs and > then refraining? Argggggg! No way! > > What if your old high school friends conspire and tell everybody you > DID use drugs extensively during you youth. Signed testimonies. Yo are > done! You are now an ex addict, subject to `side effects` (see thread > of the sae name under my name). At least WE ARE ALL EX-ADDICTS!!!! > That`s the most we can say and prove by NOT taking drugs. But at any > moment the POLICE can say: `he/she uses drugs` What do you do? You are > driving alone in a highway. You are stopped. By the time you come back > home, there is already a report that you use drugs. What comes next in > your life???? > > Or smebody, even a policeman, puts some quantity of a substance in > your car, or some powder on your suit, or in your house... How do > youprove it is not yours? By being tortured until it is evident it is > not yours??? BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES!!! > > And worse, yourlife suddenly grinds to a halt and goes to the sink: > somebody spreads the rumor you used drugs. Soon all are convinced of > it. Goodbye opportunities, etc. It may be a policeman who does this, > maybe with reason (can`t prove you comitted a crime and wants to pin > you down, whether he is correct or not, or just because...). Goodbye > life. > > But for the police and judges it makes their life easy. Say drugs, the > magic word: you`re done. Anything can be justified by saying drugs. > Mexico wants to extradite somebody? Just needs to fabricate evidence > saying you are a drug seller. Wham!!! There you go... > > Now, we don`t want drugs to be sold inthe corner store. No way! Would > happened like with tobacco. So, the only *rational* solution is to > CONTROL THEM. > > The proposal consists in emitting a card similar to voting credentials > with picture. You are entitled to buy weekly quantities, under medical > supervision. You can buy from the government or speicalized dealers. > The card is given free of charge by the government, even by the police > itself! The federal police, the DEA. You commit a crime? NO CARD??? > Double penalty. A card? How much did you take, which drugs? Is it > enough to commit a crime?, etc. > > You would submit to psychiatrical evaluation pryor and... for the rest > of yourlife, or while youhave your card. Age requirements are > enforced. Who would trade the card? Nobody. You pay for it maybe even > with taxes, etc. You can assure quality. No accidents. Not enough for > you? Treatment. > > This solution has the advantage that it would expose all players, both > producers and cosummers. Once you ask for a card, you`re marked for > life. Essentially. But then, if well controlled, once you give back > your card, you are free from the stigma. Again, no card? Double > penalty. It would work as a deterrent to curiosity. It would be > accompanied with real information as to the effects, pros and cons, as > all things have two sides. > > Budgets need not be lost by the police. Essentially, they would > control it, the federal police, that is. Other resources would go to > treatments, research, information, special gatherings, etc. > > Not ALL drugs need be treated this way. Temptatively, only marihuana > and maybe the most innocuous of chemical drugs would be allowed. Doses > would make medical sense. Other drugs would be equally illegal. > > Of course, the other solution is WORLDWIDE erradication. Dope and coke > and mushrooms. Chemical drugs would be treated as they are now. My > hypothesis is that most people use drugs other than pot because of its > inavailability. A trick of sellers would be to sell dope and once they > have buyers, artificially reduce supply and augment supply of other > drugs. This trick would no lowork. Many sellers and producers would > opt to go through the governmental, official channel. There would be a > residue of criminals: those would be hunted as usual. But, most > important, addicts wuld be identified. Hypothesis is that few people > NOT CURRENTLY USING drugs would opt NOT TO USE DRUGS. There is a > mystery to them, making them attractive for rebel types and others. > Users would speak more freely of their effects, good and bad, before > they end up intratment for abuse. Abuse would be dminished a lot... > > Why I write this? Because it makes sense. And because I may be > incriminated thus. > > Any comments about the path of adjustment of prices? I guess they > would remain about the same; the excess in price due to intermediarism > would go to the government as taxes. Other regimes may be possible.
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<936d33b5.0410311052.f1fd61d@posting.google.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mailReferences:
<768f7623.0410301830.706d7fd8@posting.google.com> <768f7623.0410310316.2ad822bf@posting.google.com>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,c6d45235bca98ec4 X-Google-Thread: 106ac3,c6d45235bca98ec4 X-Google-Thread: 1141a2,c6d45235bca98ec4 X-Google-Thread: f5ff2,c6d45235bca98ec4 X-Google-Thread: 105966,c6d45235bca98ec4 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid106ac3,gid1141a2,gidf5ff2,gid105966,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: pinnush277@netzero.net (pinnush) Newsgroups: sci.physics,utexas.general,alt.politics,hawaii.politics,soc.culture.french Subject: Re: A solution to the war against drugs Date: 31 Oct 2004 10:52:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 93 Message-ID: <936d33b5.0410311052.f1fd61d@posting.google.com> References: <768f7623.0410301830.706d7fd8@posting.google.com> <768f7623.0410310316.2ad822bf@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.136.26.228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1099248762 15411 127.0.0.1 (31 Oct 2004 18:52:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:52:42 +0000 (UTC)