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Article #3837Re: Question about electron spin
From: Dave Griffiths
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:43
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:43
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In article <10910@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes: >In article <1992Sep27.185539.594@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) writes: >>I've just been reading Roger Penrose's explanation in the Emperor's New Mind >>of the EPR experiment. In this he claims that it is possible to measure the >>spin of an electron in three different directions at 120 degrees to each >>other and obtain the result YES, the spin of the electron is aligned in >>that direction for each measurement. Surely this is incorrect? He has already > >Nope. It is correct. > >>shown that if you measure the spin in one direction and get the answer YES, >>then there is a probability of (1 + cos 120)/2 = 1/4 that a measurement at >>120 degrees to this will also give the answer YES. Fine. But surely, with >>the wave function having collapsed, it's not possible for three measurements >>at 120 degrees to each other _all_ to give YES? > >Why not? The wavefunction was "collapsed" in the original direction >before you ran it through the first 120-degree analyzer. The chance of >getting three YES answers from the system described is just 1/4 * 1/4 * >1/4 = 1/64 = 1.56%. > No wonder they call it spin. :-) Seems the notion of spin in a particular direction is a bit meaningless if you can detect it in all three directions. Your comment about polarizing sheets has almost persuaded me, however we're dealing there with _aggregates_. I was wondering whether it was possible to measure the spin of one single electron three times consecutively and get "spin up" in three directions. If you did such a measurement at 0, 120 and 240 degrees and got YES each time, and then measured it at 180 degrees, would there be a chance (1 + cos 60)/2 (ie the angle between the last measurement at 240 and 180) of now getting a YES, or does the past history of a measurement at 0 preclude this? Could you possibly get a YES at 60 degrees, exactly opposite your YES at 240 degrees? >Is your brain numb yet? Yes. Dave Griffiths
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!prim!dave From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Question about electron spin Message-ID: <1992Sep28.174343.714@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1992Sep27.185539.594@prim> <10910@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:43:43 GMT Lines: 39