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Article #3993Re: What's a manifold?
From: Matt Austern
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 10:11
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 10:11
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In article <1992Nov5.060400.14203@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes: > Ah, now this is starting to sound very interesting and helpful. What I > don't understand here is how "living in R^n" is of itself creating > complexity and obscurity. I can see that the arbitrariness of f might > get in the way. But where does the complexity and obscurity creep in > if for example we define a manifold to be a smooth retract of an open > subset of R^n? The problem with that is that it focuses too much on an aspect of a manifold that just isn't terribly fundamental. For example: the 2-sphere S^2 and a Klein bottle are both perfectly nice two-dimensional manifolds. However, S^2 can be embedded in R^3, and a Klein bottle has to be embedded in R^4. There's nothing particularly fundamental or interesting about that difference, and it would be a shame to have a definition of a manifold that obscured the essential similarity between these two two-dimensional manifolds. -- Matthew Austern Just keep yelling until you attract a (510) 644-2618 crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a austern@lbl.bitnet faction, an army! If you don't have any matt@physics.berkeley.edu solutions, become a part of the problem!
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!agate!agate!matt From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: What's a manifold? Date: 5 Nov 92 10:11:48 Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <MATT.92Nov5101148@physics2.berkeley.edu> References: <1992Nov3.204551.29715@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> <1992Nov5.004804.24757@galois.mit.edu> <1992Nov5.035214.25991@galois.mit.edu> <1992Nov5.060400.14203@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:04:00 GMT