Article View: sci.physics
Article #4010Re: Standard Model without Higgses (Was : Size of a PHOTON?)
From: SCOTT I CHASE
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 19:01
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 19:01
54 lines
3948 bytes
3948 bytes
In article <1992Nov4.223548.8659@physics.ucla.edu>, baillie@physics.ucla.edu (Baillie) writes... >Not wanting to detract from your well-stated point, but if you turned off >the Higgs in the standard model, the W and Z would not be massless, because >of _dynamical_ symmetry breaking. For instance, in a theory with two quark >flavours, there is an SU(2)_Left x SU(2)_Right symmetry which is broken down >by QCD to diagonal SU(2). This leaves 3 Goldstone bosons --- the pions, which >are "eaten" by the W and Z to give them mass, in the same way that the >unphysical Higgs bosons get "eaten" in the Standard Model. I entirely avoided the question of alternative models of mass because the Higgs model provided me with a nice answer to the question of "where" the mass is. As you point out, people should not get the impression that the Higgs model is the only serious possibility. Another example, popular lately, is spontaneous symmetry breaking by a top-quark condensate. If the mass of the top quark if *very* large, the symmetry of the vacuum can be broken by a bose condensate of pairs of top quarks. The condensate plays the role that the fundamental scalar plays in the SM. I'm afraid that I can't tell you the details. However, I can say that it does provide a model with a certain "frugality," in that it accomplishes SSB without postulating a new fundamental scalar - it merely makes use of the existing heavy quarks. This has some appeal from a theoretical point of view, since the existence of the Higgs is a somewhat ad hoc assumption. From an experimental point of view, the entire question of mass generation is only now becoming a tractable problem. I am sure that Matt will flame me for lending so much credence to this, but I'll tell you anyway. Ellis et.al. have done fits to the large body of LEP data on Z physics, treating M(top) and M(Higgs) as two open parameters of the SM. The fact that radiative corrections set nice limits on M(top) is well known and widely accepted. You find, roughly, that on the assumption that the SM is correct, M(top) = 130+/-30 GeV. Ellis finds that you can also now constrain the Higgs mass, though very weakly. If you *really* stretch things, and select your data sets carefully, you can get down to 50 < M(Higgs) < 600 GeV. If you play it more "fairly," not excluding any data sets, etc., you find M(Higgs) < 3000 GeV, or some such large number which I may not be remembering exactly. The important point is that the experiments are now good enough to constrain the model to the point where *something* like a Higgs (of *some* mass) is required to make things work. I.e., the data imply that the Higgs, or something which acts effectively like a Higgs, MUST exist if the rest of the SM is correct. This is very exciting, because it implies that as the data get better we will be able to address the question of mass generation in a direct experimental manner, and end all this theoretical wrangling once and for all. -Scott -------------------- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell, SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV although I have no right to say so, having been a single cell so long ago myself that I have no memory at all of that stage of my life." - Lewis Thomas
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<5NOV199211015169@csa2.lbl.gov>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!csa2.lbl.gov!sichaseReferences:
<1992Nov3.175155.27867@impmh.uucp> <4NOV199204224018@reg.triumf.ca> <4NOV199211145034@csa1.lbl.gov> <1992Nov4.223548.8659@physics.ucla.edu>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!csa2.lbl.gov!sichase From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Standard Model without Higgses (Was : Size of a PHOTON?) Date: 5 Nov 1992 11:01 PST Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 54 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5NOV199211015169@csa2.lbl.gov> References: <1992Nov3.175155.27867@impmh.uucp> <4NOV199204224018@reg.triumf.ca> <4NOV199211145034@csa1.lbl.gov> <1992Nov4.223548.8659@physics.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41