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Article #4081Re: What's a manifold?
From: John C. Baez
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 03:07
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 03:07
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In article <1992Nov6.023524.6664@galois.mit.edu> tycchow@phragmen.mit.edu (Timothy Y. Chow) writes: >In article <1992Nov5.213739.4045@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu >(John C. Baez) writes: > >>For example: "a group is a subset of the set of permutations of a set >>that is closed under taking inverses and products". Yuck! >>These things should be theorems, not definitions. > >This is true, but only with hindsight, I think. As Gerald Edgar has noted, >some think that we should proceed from the abstract to the specific, but >this approach often suffers from the problem of motivation. Objects such as >groups and manifolds were not defined intrinsically at first, because they >arose in some specific context. Only afterwards did it become clear what >properties to abstract and how this would help. Frequently the original, >clumsier definition is closer to intuition and easier to motivate. Well, I think it should go like this. First various examples. Then the definition as a distillation of the common features of the examples. Then perhaps some theorems saying "every group is isomorphic to a permutation group" or "every finite group is isomorphic to a matrix group" to show that, in a certain sense, the examples they know are all there really is. In other words, I don't think one should give watered-down definitions, but one *certainly* shouldn't throw definitions at someone who is not prepared to enjoy them. (If you know a bunch of examples it's positively fun to see the definition that distills their essence.)
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Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.math Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!riesz!jbaez From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: What's a manifold? Message-ID: <1992Nov6.030706.7098@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: riesz Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <1992Nov5.161930.21320@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov5.213739.4045@galois.mit.edu> <1992Nov6.023524.6664@galois.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:07:06 GMT Lines: 26