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Article #4126Re: Simple observation about Quantum Kitty Cats
From: Jim Giles
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:38
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:38
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In article <1992Sep29.182835.26555@galois.mit.edu>, jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes: |> [...] |> Of course, mathematics has been a branch of mysticism ever since the |> Pythagoreans (if not earlier). As a mathematician, if one could |> find a mathematical model from which quantum mechanics and general |> relativity both "fell out" in some natural manner, it would count |> as an outstanding achievement even if it had no testable consequences. Yes. It's always useful for your model to be easily manipulated. However, a model by itself isn't a theory. A theory is a model *PLUS* a mapping from the model onto measurable aspects of reality. Those parts of the model which are *not* mapped to measurable aspects of reality cannot be said to *necessarily* correspond to anything physical - no matter how elegant they are. Any alternative model which produces the same measurable predictions with the same accuracy will do as well - and often in the past, well regarded models have had to be discarded because new methods of testing became available which disproved previously untestable aspects of those models. Of course, the *really* strange thing about QM is the claim that a mathematical function *is* the physical object being studied. In any other part of science, this would seem rediculous (or, at the very least, uninformative). To derive a function which gives a prediction for sky-light as a function of sun angle, horizonm angle, wavelength of light, and observer altitude should be possible. To say that the sky really *is* that function when you're not looking up is rediculous. For one thing, what does such a claim even *mean*? Or, consider the following function on integers: f(i) = max(0, min(i-1, 13-i))/36. This is the probability of rolling `i' as the sum of two dice. It is rediculous to say the dice really *are* this function while they are rolling and that the function `collapses' to a given number when the dice stop rolling. -- J. Giles
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!usenet.coe.montana.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!lanl!cochiti.lanl.gov!jlg From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Simple observation about Quantum Kitty Cats Message-ID: <1992Sep29.213854.26085@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: 29 Sep 92 21:38:54 GMT Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Sep29.213854.26085 References: <717712154.5@mailbox.bison.mb> <1992Sep29.182835.26555@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 37