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Article #4146Re: Understand...!!!!
From: Mcinnes B T (Dr)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:30
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:30
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I am holding in my hand a baloney sandwich. I hereby declare that this is an instance of a clock. Now I note that as the baloney sandwich decreases, so does my hunger. Since time is what a clock measures, I deduce that: Time is hunger. In short, this definition of time is a load of baloney. Time is NOT what you measure with a clock. Time is the length of timelike worldlines. Its definition has nothing to do with the way you happen to measure it, whic h is a mere technological bagatelle. : : Philosophically, this is the viewpoint that once you have something defined, : (such as a way to measure it, for example) it has *some sort* of reality. : : When you define a 'clock', you are defining 'time'. There are lots of way : to build clocks, and an 'ideal' one may be an abstraction as opposed to : any particular implementation, but those are the breaks. We'll just have : to say that people have some idea of 'clockness', and that we can build : clocks that people generally agree are pretty good ones nowadays (rubidium : or cesium standards, for example). People agree that grandfather clocks : with weights aren't really so good - they can be affected by the environment : in ways that 'better' clocks are not. : : Anyway, the idea of time as something that is measured by a clock clears up : some of the problems many people have with relativity. : : All one has to do is to realize that what a clock measures depends on how : it moves. This is counter to practical every-day experience, where one : expects _ideal_ clocks to stay synchronized no matter how they move around. : However, at sufficiently high velocities (and/or gravitational fields), this : difference becomes measurable even for a 'perfect' clock. (I'm not sure : exatly what practical confirmatory evidence is availble, but I know there is : at least some, - i.e. from particles that wouldn't be expected to live long : enough to penetrate the atmosphere otherwise, but are observed to do so in : practice). : : This leads right to the idea of the 'relativity of simultanaeity'. If : the time elapsed on a clock depends on how it moves, you can no longer : synchronize distant clocks simply by moving them together - you'd have : to specify _how_ they were moved together. Before relativity, one could : assume clocks would always stay synchronized no matter what - after : relativity, one no longer has this view. : : Similar things happen with fields as far as 'reality' goes. In principle, : there is a way to measure an electric field, for instance (the acceleration : of a unit charge), though I'm not aware of any practical absolute methods : (more practical ones measure changes in electric fields). In this sense, a : field is 'real'. : : Fields also turn out to be a useful way to look at reality, (at least IMO) : but that's another issue.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!think.com!yale.edu!jvnc.net!nuscc!matmcinn From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) Subject: Re: Understand...!!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep30.073018.13232@nuscc.nus.sg> Organization: National University of Singapore References: <1992Sep28.210054.17335@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:30:18 GMT Lines: 54