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carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft) writes:

>x
>Men just don't get it.
>One of the things we don't get is that it's absurd for a bunch
>of men to pontificate as to whether certain jokes are offensive
>to women 

The question is not which jokes are 'offensive to women'.  You don't
have to be a woman to be offended by a sexist joke.  Maybe it's 'which
jokes alienate women' i.e. which jokes tell women they don't belong in
this group.

>and whether this is part of the reason women avoid
>science (or for that matter football).
>Women know.  The sooner men stop speaking for them and listening
>to them, the better.

When men participate in the discussion of gender bias in a field, they
are *not* necessarily speaking *for* women.

Do you think that men posting about sexism in this forum somehow
prevents men from listening to women?

I think sexism is not just a women's problem.  It is a 'people'
problem, and people should be able to work together to help solve it.
I don't see why men should be excluded from the discussion.

--
  Robert Merithew                                        r-merithew@uiuc.edu
  grad student, Dept. of Physics
  University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign