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Article #4299Re: Are redshifts discrete?
From: Joe Keane
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:54
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:54
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In article <1992Sep16.213740.25001@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes: >Redshifts only appear quantized when you are standing at or near the center >of the concentric shells of galaxies which cause this quantization effect. >At any other point this effect would not occur in an isotropic manner. In article <Sep.23.19.48.07.1992.9310@ruhets.rutgers.edu> bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes: >But, if we see redshifts as quantized, an observer someplace else won't. >Diagram: > > A * > |\ > | \ > | \ > B *---* C Well, it seems that everyone took the opportunity to show how you can't have all the redshifts be perfectly quantized for all observers. But that's not what was being claimed! What they said is that there are peaks in the power spectrum. You can do this so that the effect appears to all observers. The simplest example is to put all the galaxies at the points of a lattice. Then everyone will see frequency peaks. I don't even need the fact that observers are likely to be near the lattice points, which increases the effect a bit. What Benjamin Weiner's argument shows is that if your lattice has spacing 1/f, you will also get frequency peaks at f/sqrt(2) and so on. Clearly having galaxies at lattice points is incredible. A better model is the following. Take some sand with a reasonably uniform grain size, and dump it into a bucket. Measure the distances between grains, and then run the power spectrum. You will still get frequency peaks. Having said that, i think the claimed peaks probably don't exist. -- Joe Keane, amateur physicist jgk@osc.com (uunet!amdcad!osc!jgk)
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!sun-barr!ames!pacbell.com!pacbell!osc!jgk From: jgk@osc.COM (Joe Keane) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Are redshifts discrete? Summary: There could be frequency peaks. Keywords: autocorrelation Message-ID: <5775@osc.COM> Date: 30 Sep 92 04:54:18 GMT References: <1992Sep16.213740.25001@galois.mit.edu> <Sep.23.19.48.07.1992.9310@ruhets.rutgers.edu> Reply-To: Joe Keane <jgk@osc.com> Organization: Versant Object Technology, Menlo Park, CA Lines: 39 Weather: sunny, high 81, low 55 Moon-Phase: waxing crescent (18% of full)