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Article #4343Re: Expansion
From: Steve Carlip
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 20:26
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 20:26
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I'm cross-posting to sci.astro in the hope that some cosmologist who's more up-to-date on the current literature can help out. The question being discussed in sci.physics --- surely a FAQ somewhere --- is whether a small gravitationally bound system experiences the expansion of the universe. In article <Sep.29.16.54.08.1992.28530@ruhets.rutgers.edu> bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes: >ynecgan@cid.aes.doe.CA writes: >[...] >I think a usual rule of thumb is that if a system is [in the Newtonian >gravitational approximation] gravitationally bound, it's not >correct to apply the simple expansion-of-space rule to it. I've heard this rule of thumb, but my impression is that there are still some open questions. My reference is Ellis and Stoeger, "The 'fitting problem' in cosmology" (Class. Quantum Gravity 4 (1987) 1697). The problem their title refers to is that of fitting together a small scale, "lumpy" solution of the field equations of general relativity and a large scale, smooth cosmological solution. The have a section that specifically discusses the effect of cosmological expansion on local physics, and basically answer, "we don't know." (In their approximation, there is an effect, but they cite other authors with different approximations and different results.) The issue is confusing because you have to separate out real physics from coordinate-dependent effects, but there are certainly invariant questions that can be asked (e.g., do circular orbits close?) My reference is five years old, though, and I imagine there has been more recent work. I know that Ellis and Stoeger have written papers on their program since then, but it's outside my field, and I haven't kept up. Does anyone have more recent results? Steve Carlip carlip@dirac.ucdavis.edu
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!ucdavis!landau.ucdavis.edu!carlip From: carlip@landau.ucdavis.edu (Steve Carlip) Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.astro Subject: Re: Expansion Message-ID: <17857@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> Date: 2 Oct 92 20:26:32 GMT References: <1992Sep29.040437.6678@cid.aes.doe.CA> <Sep.29.16.54.08.1992.28530@ruhets.rutgers.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu Followup-To: sci.physics Organization: Physics, UC Davis Lines: 35