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Article #4369Re: Defining local, causal etc., was: Hidden variable theories
From: Jim Giles
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 19:36
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 19:36
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In article <1992Oct2.013142.25298@unixg.ubc.ca>, ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay) writes: |> In article <1992Sep29.170356.13002@newshost.lanl.gov> |> jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) writes: |> |It is not possible to distinguish between wavefunctions that are |> |hypothetical entities and wavefunctions which are real objects. |> |Not empirically. Therefore, their introduction violates Occam's |> |razor. |> |> How do you distinguish between "hypothetical entities" and "real |> objects" in any other case? If you can show me an experiment which can be (at least hypothetically) performed which yields a different result if "wavefunction collapse" is reified than it does if it is not even mentioned, then I'll consider the question of the existence of such an event. The fact is, QM works *without* "collapse" even being mentioned. The wavefunction predicts a certain probability distribution and (if you measure enough events) that's the distribution you see. The wavefunction is, therefore, a good *descriptive* model of the statistical behavior of QM systems. Like all other descriptive models, it may or may not be even remotely related to any *explanatory* theory which later arises. The measure of reality is independent verification. If you can't independently verify something (not even hypothetically), then discussion of its existence is mysticism. If it is verifyable, but only hypothetically and not by present technology, then its existence is pure speculation. Even the supporters of the "wavefunction collapse" interpretation are quick to state (even proudly) that these events are not observable - not even hypothetically. -- J. Giles
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!uwm.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!lanl!cochiti.lanl.gov!jlg From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Defining local, causal etc., was: Hidden variable theories Message-ID: <1992Oct2.193606.995@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: 2 Oct 92 19:36:06 GMT Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Oct2.193606.995 References: <1992Sep25.184834.13257@newshost.lanl.gov> <1992Sep28.202508.17001@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> <1992Sep29.170356.13002@newshost.lanl.gov> <1992Oct2.013142.25298@unixg.ubc.ca> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 33