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Article #4413Re: Campfire and plasma musings
From: Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 17:36
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 17:36
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In article <baz> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes: In article <bar> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes: >In article <foo>, slovick@Apple.COM (Linda Slovick) writes... >>2.) Is a flame a plasma? >Yes. Anyone know HOW ionized a campfire flame is? Not very. If you assume that the ionization potential of a typical air molecule is ~10V, (Nitrogen's is 14V, according to my handy CRC), you'd need to get ~10eV/particle of thermal energy to ionize most of the gas. The temperature is just 10eV/Kb, or 110,000K (210,000F). This is about a factor of 20 times hotter than a typical campfire flame! Campfire flames glow because they're hot enough (~3,000K) to give off orange light by blackbody radiation, not because their charges are re-associating. The best/most common places to see plasmas on the Earth are (a) fluorescent lights, including most city street lights, and (b) spark discharges (lightning, spark plugs in cars, etc.). -- Craig DeForest -- astrophysicist for hire. DoD#314159; PhD#271828
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!leland.Stanford.EDU!leland.stanford.edu!zowie From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) Subject: Re: Campfire and plasma musings In-Reply-To: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu's message of 7 Nov 92 19:26:07 GMT Message-ID: <ZOWIE.92Nov8173659@daedalus.stanford.edu> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics References: <74055@apple.Apple.COM> <6NOV199215262053@csa1.lbl.gov> <1992Nov7.192607.23040@galois.mit.edu> Date: 8 Nov 92 17:36:59 Lines: 26